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  • F Fabio Franco

    If you do know something is not gonna be null, the cast is more efficient.

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    NormDroid
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    To add... and the cast is a qualified cast.

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    • S Sahir Shah

      The second one sounds like some kind of hominid comrade Norm.

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      Don't fancy seeing your code if you think b. looks like a great ape :rolleyes:

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      • N NormDroid

        For those using c#, what do you prefer? A.

        SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;

        or B.

        SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;

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        OriginalGriff
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        B. I don't like to rely on exceptions for normal processing (they are slow and clumsy for that), so you have to check for null.

        SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;
        if (obj != null)
        {
        ...
        }

        While

        if (e != null && e is SomeObject)
        {
        SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;
        ...
        }

        looks ugly. Plus, if you are going to use obj as a SomeObject instance, then the former is quicker since there is only one check on the type of e

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        • R Ravi Bhavnani

          It depends.  (A) will throw if the cast fails while (B) will evaluate to null if the cast fails.  I use both depending on how I intend to handle the casting failure. /ravi

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          jim lahey
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          I'm with Ravi on this one.I use both, the decision if which one to use is purely based upon what I need to happen should it go wrong

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            Sahir Shah
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            He's doin it on purpose to annoy you Senhor Vilmos. I thought you would have figured that out by now :D

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            • N NormDroid

              For those using c#, what do you prefer? A.

              SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;

              or B.

              SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;

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              Nemanja Trifunovic
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              It is not about preference. When I want an exception in case of type error I use A., and if I want a null I use B. I don't see a point of something like:

              SomeObj obj = e as SomeObject;
              if (obj == null)
              throw new InvalidCastException();

              Of course, in good languages casting is almost always a sign of a design error.

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              • R Richard A Dalton

                If an illegal cast is an exceptional (woah, that should never happen) situation, then (a) If there's a possibility that through normal use the cast might be invalid (e.g. Plug-in tpye code), then (b), followed by an If to check for Null. -Richard

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                PIEBALDconsult
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                Richard A. Dalton wrote:

                Plug-in tpye code

                I don't have such problems with plug-ins.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  B. I don't like to rely on exceptions for normal processing (they are slow and clumsy for that), so you have to check for null.

                  SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;
                  if (obj != null)
                  {
                  ...
                  }

                  While

                  if (e != null && e is SomeObject)
                  {
                  SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;
                  ...
                  }

                  looks ugly. Plus, if you are going to use obj as a SomeObject instance, then the former is quicker since there is only one check on the type of e

                  Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                  PIEBALDconsult
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                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                  (they are slow and clumsy for that

                  No they're not.

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                  • N NormDroid

                    For those using c#, what do you prefer? A.

                    SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;

                    or B.

                    SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;

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                    Mike Hankey
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                    I used to use A (C upbringing) now I kinda favor B.

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                    • N NormDroid

                      For those using c#, what do you prefer? A.

                      SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;

                      or B.

                      SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;

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                      PIEBALDconsult
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                      Depends on the situation. Mostly proper casting, as occasionally, particularly when checking for a derived type.

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                      • N NormDroid

                        :beer:

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                        Nagy Vilmos
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                        Don't mind if I do. :beer: yourself.


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                        • N NormDroid

                          The hand is quicker than the I eye.

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                          Sahir Shah
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                          Norm .net wrote:

                          The hand is quicker than the I eye

                          Too much hand is bad for the eye.

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                          • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                            It is not about preference. When I want an exception in case of type error I use A., and if I want a null I use B. I don't see a point of something like:

                            SomeObj obj = e as SomeObject;
                            if (obj == null)
                            throw new InvalidCastException();

                            Of course, in good languages casting is almost always a sign of a design error.

                            utf8-cpp

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                            PIEBALDconsult
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                            I use A and never get an Exception, what are you people doing? :confused:

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                              I use A and never get an Exception, what are you people doing? :confused:

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                              Nemanja Trifunovic
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                              PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                              what are you people doing?

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                              • N NormDroid

                                For those using c#, what do you prefer? A.

                                SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;

                                or B.

                                SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;

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                                Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                                As is for poor programmers. If you know that e always is SomeObject then e should be typed as such using some other method. Otherwise you always have to check the result of the as operation. So then you have the following two scenarios which must always be in case A or case B:

                                if(e is SomeObject){
                                SomeObject someObject = (SomeObject)e;
                                }

                                or

                                SomeObject someobject = e as SomeObject;
                                if(someObject != null){

                                }

                                But then in case by I always here the response ... but I know e is always SomeObject. Really then maybe it should be defined as such. The AS operator is designed solely to support developers that don't have a fundamental concept of type. After all, for all of the time I have seen the is operator used with a subsequent cast, checking for null after the AS is a white rhinoceros.

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                                  For those using c#, what do you prefer? A.

                                  SomeObject obj = (SomeObject) e;

                                  or B.

                                  SomeObject obj = e as SomeObject;

                                  www.software-kinetics.co.uk Wear a hard hat it's under construction

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                                  peterchen
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                                  The first when I need the exception, the second when I need the null. Because face it, e is never what you need it to be.

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                                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                    As is for poor programmers. If you know that e always is SomeObject then e should be typed as such using some other method. Otherwise you always have to check the result of the as operation. So then you have the following two scenarios which must always be in case A or case B:

                                    if(e is SomeObject){
                                    SomeObject someObject = (SomeObject)e;
                                    }

                                    or

                                    SomeObject someobject = e as SomeObject;
                                    if(someObject != null){

                                    }

                                    But then in case by I always here the response ... but I know e is always SomeObject. Really then maybe it should be defined as such. The AS operator is designed solely to support developers that don't have a fundamental concept of type. After all, for all of the time I have seen the is operator used with a subsequent cast, checking for null after the AS is a white rhinoceros.

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                                    Pete OHanlon
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                                    Thanks Ennis - I'm a poor programmer then because I use as, rather than the double cast, which is doing the same work again. What happens internally with as is that it checks to see if the variable is of the type, and if it is it returns a non-null pointer to that type. With the is operator, you check to see if it is of the type and then you cast it - which still determines internally whether or not it belongs to that type (this is how it throws an InvalidTypeException). In any case where you are using code-discovery, such as IoC, then the as call is more efficient. [Edit]I should add that this relates to our plugin code where the client provides their own logic, and "forgets" to implement the appropriate interfaces.[/Edit]

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                                      Richard A. Dalton wrote:

                                      Plug-in tpye code

                                      I don't have such problems with plug-ins.

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                                      Pete OHanlon
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                                      You have better clients than we do then. You tell them, you must implement this interface in order for this to work, and bam they completely fail to implement the interface.

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                                        The first when I need the exception, the second when I need the null. Because face it, e is never what you need it to be.

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                                        peterchen wrote:

                                        Because face it, e is never what you need it to be.

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                                        • N NormDroid

                                          Don't fancy seeing your code if you think b. looks like a great ape :rolleyes:

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                                          Somebody didn't read the subject of the post.

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