Adieu
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I use VB all the time (only because I have to), and consider myself to have license to ridicule the language. Maybe that's why I'm more okay with having people (like you) make the occasional offhand comment about it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997To be fair John, I only rib you a little from time to time because I know how much it annoys you having to use it. I am fully aware that you are way more comfortable with C#, (I use it occasionally), but I am forced to use VB at work because a) XL VBA and b) boss likes to be able to follow the code and he can't use C#. I can live with the taunts, I am a big boy!
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
I understand exactly what you are saying. Elaine. This is not the Code Project that used to exist and the vicious and personal attacks that you and others have undergone is not to be born. I will miss reading your thoughts and ideas which have always made me think even (or especially) when we didn't agree.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
Take care!
Watched code never compiles.
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
Trollslayer wrote:
Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic.
It's faux elitism, for running jokes. For example, the only time I ever say anything bad about VB (which is a fully functional programming language, love it or hate it) is to pull John's leg. I actually use VB for mock-ups, because it's just so damned easy to do things like that with it -- I can't use it for real work, because this is a Java hellhole shop. And no-one truly believes that blondes, Irishmen, "polacks", or whatever are really all stupid, so don't take an instance of a running joke as a personal attack -- it's just a running joke; a theme (and if there's one thing that devs like, it's reusable themes).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
Merrrrooooowwwp! (please don't leave me all alone...)
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
I am sure you have thought pretty hard about this, and if it is your decision to go, I just wish you the best of luck, and will say you will be missed. I wish you wouldn't, though...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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I understand exactly what you are saying. Elaine. This is not the Code Project that used to exist and the vicious and personal attacks that you and others have undergone is not to be born. I will miss reading your thoughts and ideas which have always made me think even (or especially) when we didn't agree.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
This is not the Code Project that used to exist
Agreed. It was a lot more fun before everyone had to be politically correct to post. Kid-sister? Shya... Right.
Oakman wrote:
and the vicious and personal attacks that you and others have undergone
I must have missed those. I've never seen any "vicious personal attacks" against VB coders in general, nor Elain in particular. Of course, I don't read every thread...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Trollslayer wrote:
Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic.
It's faux elitism, for running jokes. For example, the only time I ever say anything bad about VB (which is a fully functional programming language, love it or hate it) is to pull John's leg. I actually use VB for mock-ups, because it's just so damned easy to do things like that with it -- I can't use it for real work, because this is a Java hellhole shop. And no-one truly believes that blondes, Irishmen, "polacks", or whatever are really all stupid, so don't take an instance of a running joke as a personal attack -- it's just a running joke; a theme (and if there's one thing that devs like, it's reusable themes).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
and if there's one thing that devs like, it's reusable themes
I re-use toilet paper...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
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Oakman wrote:
This is not the Code Project that used to exist
Agreed. It was a lot more fun before everyone had to be politically correct to post. Kid-sister? Shya... Right.
Oakman wrote:
and the vicious and personal attacks that you and others have undergone
I must have missed those. I've never seen any "vicious personal attacks" against VB coders in general, nor Elain in particular. Of course, I don't read every thread...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I've never seen any "vicious personal attacks" against VB coders in general
I haven't seen any either and I code daily in VB.NET There is the usual any other language V VB.NET and there always will be, but hey I get plenty of work in the language so who cares :-D
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
Sad to see someone leave the community because of something like this... Good luck with whatever you choose to do (stay or go) but hopefully you'll reconsider.
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
So you can hand out the abuse but cant take it eh? Dont let the door hit you in the ass as you leave. :) --edit-- Sorry to pop your bubble one voters, she has been consistently rude and abusive to me for years so my comment is entirely valid.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
modified on Friday, June 24, 2011 11:11 AM
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
I just want to add my hope that you reconsider. The last 10 years of my career have been in VB6/VBA and some VB.NET, and while I, at times, really have to agree with John Simmons regarding the... umm... idiosyncracies (Yeah! good word!) of the language, it does (still and usually) get the job done. It's always popular to take swings at out-moded tech (COBOL, VB, Windows.... :D) but any criticisms should always be pointed at the technology, and not the users of the technology (i.e. us!). We can, and should, take (constructive) criticism of our use (or misuse) of the technology, but the line between joking and offense is easily crossed. I hope that those that offended you feel sufficiently guilty for causing you distress, and I also hope you will rise above and re-join us when you feel up to it. :rose: -EM
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Oakman wrote:
This is not the Code Project that used to exist
Agreed. It was a lot more fun before everyone had to be politically correct to post. Kid-sister? Shya... Right.
Oakman wrote:
and the vicious and personal attacks that you and others have undergone
I must have missed those. I've never seen any "vicious personal attacks" against VB coders in general, nor Elain in particular. Of course, I don't read every thread...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I must have missed those.
Or didn't recognize them when you saw them. No-one has ever accused you of being particularly sensitive to how anyone else feels.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
Do tell me this is April 1st?????? You've just got to look beyond the elitism.......its the internet after all, you will find that and all the other nonsense elsewhere. Things will not be the same, whose going to keep us educated on telly specs and other lounge chat??? :(
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So you can hand out the abuse but cant take it eh? Dont let the door hit you in the ass as you leave. :) --edit-- Sorry to pop your bubble one voters, she has been consistently rude and abusive to me for years so my comment is entirely valid.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
modified on Friday, June 24, 2011 11:11 AM
Sympathetic as ever. :rolleyes:
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
Elaine, I haven't seen the attacks you mention. I code in VB (or any other language) when needed. I sincerely hope that Chris decides not to delete your account and that you have a change of heart. I always enjoy your wit and observations. If someone does indeed attack you here, ignore them -- they are the worse off for it, not you. If you really are serious, I wish you the best and hope that you have success in all your endeavors. But most all of us are hoping this is just some sort of joke you are playing on us all.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Sympathetic as ever. :rolleyes:
Why should she have sympathy given what she has said? Because of people like her I have had two accounts deleted. Finally she is doing the decent thing and deleting her own account. :)
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
I agree with the elitism charge, having been a victim of it myself. And it does get a bit tiring. I've decided to ignore most of it. VB is certainly held in low regard here, and as a result, it receives a fair amount of flak. But, I think most of it (at least all that I have seen) is meant as good-natured fun. I'm quite sure any ridicule you have seen was not meant personal. Whether it was or not, perhaps you should consider the source. "If you take offense when none is intended, you're a fool. If you take offense when it IS intended, you're an even greater fool." -- Unknown
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