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cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Will we now see "fat___boy"?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
I'm sorry to see you go Elaine, but I understand your reasons. Best of luck :rose:.
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
I'm a little ticked off with you, especially if you are serious about this decision. I think you are having a bad time right now in your life maybe and the crap that goes on at this site has pushed you over the edge a bit. Completely understandable. Take a little time off like CG did. I want you to know that a programmer friend of mind sits about 10 feet away from me and codes straight VB/VB.Net/VBA and he makes about 70-75K a year...not bad in my book. The retards that tease other people about VB constantly are just that, retards and they probably live from paycheck to paycheck. --My thoughts about you leaving.
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fat__boy wrote:
Because of people like her I have had two accounts deleted.
My guess is you are going for three.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
My guess is you are going for three.
or 4 or 5 or 6 or ....
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Trollslayer wrote:
Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic.
I thought it was just friendly teasing... I used to program in VB... And my hair used to be blond! (Darkened in my teens).
Trollslayer wrote:
I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level.
That's not an insult... That's an opportunity! It's like the perfect setup for a punchline, when you make them eat their words later. Anyway... If you really want to skip town, that's your choice. Suddenly this is reminding me of the farewell message I wrote to my Warcraft guild after five years... I don't regret leaving WoW, but I do miss hanging out with them sometimes. So, good travels to ya... We'll probably still be here if you decide to come back.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
I don't regret leaving WoW, but I do miss hanging out with them sometimes
a big fat AMEN to that one. That game ate up my life for 5 years before I came to my senses and realized it as no longer a game but a job that I paid to play( I was a hardcore raider). But like you said, I do miss hanging out and chatting with my friends from China, Columbia, Canada, all over the states, UK and the list goes on of people/nationalities we had in our large guild(I was one of the original officers so knew everybody.)
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. A crisis on your part does not constitute one on mine.
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
I'm sorry to hear you are going, you have contributed so much here. I am sorry if any comments I made about VB have effected you, truly they were written in jest. I hope this hasn't been taken as beyond the normal inter-nicene language ribbing. I didn't see the more personal attacks, but am saddened to find out this has happened. I hope you come back at some point, but in any case, all the best.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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fat__boy wrote:
Because of people like her I have had two accounts deleted.
My guess is you are going for three.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
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This is a shame. If anything, those who have ridiculed you (and in so doing violated the rules here) should be either warned or kicked out. I hope you reconsider. I'm strictly a "recreational coder" and VB.Net is the only .Net language I know. I've seen some ridicule of the language itself at CP although I don't recall seeing anyone being slammed for using it.
If Barney Frank eats a fruitcake, is it cannibalism?
Alan Burkhart wrote:
I'm strictly a "recreational coder" and VB.Net is the only .Net language I know.
VB is well suited for recreational programming. :-D
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
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I'm leaving, just had enough. There are others who have left without saying but I decided I owe it to the good folks here (Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff and others) to say why. Basically there is an element of blatant elitism that turns into attacks/ridicule on others whether it be blondes or Visual Basic. I have been told to my face I can't do my job because of my hair colour wirth response that I should just live with it or sink to their level. Also Visual Basic, whether it is VBA or VB.NET, has it's place for different users yet some here decide they can ridicule anyone who touches it. These are two examples of an underlying attitude I do not wish to be associated with so goodbye everyone and take care. I have asked Chris to delete my account. Elaine :rose:
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
Let me start by saying I hope you reconsider. You may not want to hear that from me after our exchange yesterday regarding blonde jokes. It was insensitive of me to carry on like that with you. While I still believe in my point of view, it is obvious to me that you are sensitive when it comes to that subject. If I were conversing with you in person, I'm certain I would not have pressed the matter. However, one of the great things about Code Project is that we can push beyond those artificial boundaries in society and really get into the meat of an issue. I'm sorry if my pushiness is one of the reasons you are leaving. But that is your choice, so do what you must. If the others are right and you are experiencing some personal issues (I am not aware of any specifics) you are working through, I hope you will just take a break from Code Project rather than leave for good. Maybe it would help if you remember not only the bad times, but the good times as well (times it sounds like you've had with Chris, Pete, DD, DaveAuld, Griff, ...). By the way, I code primarily in VB.NET and the CEO/President of the company I work for (5,000+ employees and locations around the world, the leader in the industry) is a blonde woman. Just thought I'd throw that out there. If this really is your last post, I wish you well, but I wish you'd reconsider even more. :rose:
Help a brotha out and vote Managing Your JavaScript Library in ASP.NET as the best ASP.NET article of May 2011.
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cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
why is he continually being banned?
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
I don't regret leaving WoW, but I do miss hanging out with them sometimes
a big fat AMEN to that one. That game ate up my life for 5 years before I came to my senses and realized it as no longer a game but a job that I paid to play( I was a hardcore raider). But like you said, I do miss hanging out and chatting with my friends from China, Columbia, Canada, all over the states, UK and the list goes on of people/nationalities we had in our large guild(I was one of the original officers so knew everybody.)
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. A crisis on your part does not constitute one on mine.
Same here, though I refused to let them make me an officer, even though by the end, I had been in the guild longer than something like 90% of the members. I was the guy who rarely signed up for a raid in advance, and when I did, it was always "I'll be there unless I find something to do in real life." On the other hand, I was the guy who had (at least) one max-level character of every class, had tried out nearly every spec, and had a habit of taking over tactical command of any raid where someone wasn't firmly in that role. I'd join a raid saying, "Ok, someone else has to lead this one," but I'd end up doing it anyway... That was actually my favorite part... It was like a puzzle... You have this list of raid members with these skill levels, these gear levels, and these talent specs... Figure out how to arrange them so they can beat this kind of raid boss... I love puzzles. I eventually quit because of the "daily" quests... I started falling behind the curve, because I refused to treat WoW like a job and do those. Still, had some good times running pick-up raids, chatting with everyone on vent, etc... Oh well.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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When you're dis'n VB, it doesn't matter, but the 0-index thing is obviosuly not in reference to the .Net version... At this point in the game, I really shouldn't have to resort to establishing street cred where knowledge of VB is concerned. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997modified on Friday, June 24, 2011 1:06 PM
I don't remember the keyword, but I believe that you can tell VB, since at least VB6, what is the first index in an array.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
why is he continually being banned?
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunFor continually breaching the Terms of Use. Specifically, trolling. Generally, abusing the goodwill of the site and the community. I've spent months asking nicely, moving posts to appropriate places, reasoning and finally simply deleting inappropriate material in the hope the hint would take, all to no avail. I simply do not have the time. There are 14M developers a year who come through the site. I need to focus on them, and I need to focus on what we do for them, and not spend so much time on someone who has no respect or courtesy towards us.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Alan Burkhart wrote:
I'm strictly a "recreational coder" and VB.Net is the only .Net language I know.
VB is well suited for recreational programming. :-D
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote:
VB is well suited for recreational programming.
It works 4 me. I've written several apps for my own use in VB and they do quite well. Even got decent votes on a couple of articles. In truth, I'm one of a comparative handful of "victims" of a weird bug that keeps me from using VS to create new C# projects. I always get an "Access Denied" error. I've scoured the Internet for solutions (one purported "solution" nearly wrecked my computer). MS says they consider the problem resolved because they can't duplicate the error. In other words, they're clueless. I recently downloaded SharpDevelop and it creates new C# projects without any problem. So when time allows I might play with C# and see what all the fuss is about. I must admit though, that I dislike all those curly braces and semicolons. I get enuff of that with Javascript. :)
If Barney Frank eats a fruitcake, is it cannibalism?
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JimmyRopes wrote:
VB is well suited for recreational programming.
It works 4 me. I've written several apps for my own use in VB and they do quite well. Even got decent votes on a couple of articles. In truth, I'm one of a comparative handful of "victims" of a weird bug that keeps me from using VS to create new C# projects. I always get an "Access Denied" error. I've scoured the Internet for solutions (one purported "solution" nearly wrecked my computer). MS says they consider the problem resolved because they can't duplicate the error. In other words, they're clueless. I recently downloaded SharpDevelop and it creates new C# projects without any problem. So when time allows I might play with C# and see what all the fuss is about. I must admit though, that I dislike all those curly braces and semicolons. I get enuff of that with Javascript. :)
If Barney Frank eats a fruitcake, is it cannibalism?
Alan Burkhart wrote:
JimmyRopes wrote:
VB is well suited for recreational programming.
It works 4 me. I've written several apps for my own use in VB and they do quite well. Even got decent votes on a couple of articles.
Then stick with it.
Alan Burkhart wrote:
In truth, I'm one of a comparative handful of "victims" of a weird bug that keeps me from using VS to create new C# projects. I always get an "Access Denied" error.
Access denied has nothing to do with the development environment or language you are using for coding. It is a matter of, err, access permissions.
Alan Burkhart wrote:
I've scoured the Internet for solutions (one purported "solution" nearly wrecked my computer).
The Internet is truly democratic. On the internet opinions are like @ss holes, everyone has one. Use any solution you get from the Internet at your on peril.
Alan Burkhart wrote:
MS says they consider the problem resolved because they can't duplicate the error. In other words, they're clueless.
Not being able to duplicate the problem has more to do with how much information you gave about the circumstances leading to the problem than not being able to reproduce the problem.
Alan Burkhart wrote:
I recently downloaded SharpDevelop and it creates new C# projects without any problem.
Then stick with it.
Alan Burkhart wrote:
So when time allows I might play with C# and see what all the fuss is about.
Why bother if VB suits you needs as a recreational coder?
Alan Burkhart wrote:
I must admit though, that I dislike all those curly braces and semicolons. I get enuff of that with Javascript.
Curse those languages that use "C" like syntax. Why did a lot of professional development languages like C#, JavaScript, PHP, C++, Objective C, Pascal, etc., use "C" like syntax instead of using VB syntax which is well suited to recreational coding. :confused:
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Same here, though I refused to let them make me an officer, even though by the end, I had been in the guild longer than something like 90% of the members. I was the guy who rarely signed up for a raid in advance, and when I did, it was always "I'll be there unless I find something to do in real life." On the other hand, I was the guy who had (at least) one max-level character of every class, had tried out nearly every spec, and had a habit of taking over tactical command of any raid where someone wasn't firmly in that role. I'd join a raid saying, "Ok, someone else has to lead this one," but I'd end up doing it anyway... That was actually my favorite part... It was like a puzzle... You have this list of raid members with these skill levels, these gear levels, and these talent specs... Figure out how to arrange them so they can beat this kind of raid boss... I love puzzles. I eventually quit because of the "daily" quests... I started falling behind the curve, because I refused to treat WoW like a job and do those. Still, had some good times running pick-up raids, chatting with everyone on vent, etc... Oh well.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)yeah I had 8 geared out lvl 80s when I quit. my wife had 6... I was an officer back before AQ made the scene and MC was THE place to beat. So I had helped to build the guild up. Like you I ran raids, coordinated crap etc.. I helped design our points system and guild rules etc... the difference was though I was the guy who you could put money on being there.. until the end at least. The last few months I "played" I did little but gold farm while having private chats with the aforementioned friends from all over. I somehow had also landed the role of personal life advisor to half the guild...And when I left we had almost 400 members(individual members, not 400 different toons). Nah I don't miss the wasted hours upon hours(average 30 a week or better) sank into that life eating monstrosity of a game. I'm just glad I wised up when I did.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Still, had some good times running pick-up raids, chatting with everyone on vent, etc... Oh well.
in the end times, that was more fun than running guild raids on my official regular toon. running with total strangers on my alts. I guess the regular guild raids got old because of all the 30 year old 5 year olds..and the mental stress that came with sorting out the idiotic things they came up with to argue about during a raid.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. A crisis on your part does not constitute one on mine.
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I used to think I was always right, but one day I thought I'd made a mistake, and then later found out I was wrong. I knew I married Miss Right - I just didn't know I'd married Miss *Always* Right...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I just didn't know I'd married Miss *Always* Right..
We must know each other. I married her, too.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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For the record, I didn't 1-vote you or Alan...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Nope, I never thought you did.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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I don't remember the keyword, but I believe that you can tell VB, since at least VB6, what is the first index in an array.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braunahmed zahmed wrote:
I don't remember the keyword, but I believe that you can tell VB, since at least VB6, what is the first index in an array.
Well before that. Temps(32,212) was around since before there was VB
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.