VS 11
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface.
Amen to that. I came to VS2010 from VS6 - 2010 runs like a dog in comparison. Even with multi-core compilation, it is still slower than VS6, compilation regularly freezes up my whole machine and the compilation dependency scanner seems to have taken a huge step backwards (it uses some arcane an indecipherable rules to decide what needs recompiling and when - and pretty much always decides that everything needs to be rebuilt).
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Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Those fuckers. The god-damned Expression Blend team got to them. It's got the same fucking unreadable color scheme UI! Agist pricks.
Software Zen:
delete this;Agreed. I hated Expression for that very reason. Loved the UI in VS 2008 and 2010. Personally, I find a little color HELPS me find things better at a glance. Otherwise, it all blends together and instead of visual recognition of the icon, you spend your time actually READING the text of every tooltip. Are they insane? They're trying to make it HARDER for us?!
Dan Dingus MCSA, A+, Network+ Network & Systems Engineer
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New UI... meh. I'm not excited. Looks like the Metro design team got a hold of Visual Studio. What I want to know is if they fixed C++/CLI intellisense. However, now that I've gotten used to working without it, I'm really not certain I want it back.
Here's hoping! And maybe context sensitive help while they are at it.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface.
Amen to that. I came to VS2010 from VS6 - 2010 runs like a dog in comparison. Even with multi-core compilation, it is still slower than VS6, compilation regularly freezes up my whole machine and the compilation dependency scanner seems to have taken a huge step backwards (it uses some arcane an indecipherable rules to decide what needs recompiling and when - and pretty much always decides that everything needs to be rebuilt).
Agreed. I came to VS 10 from VS 6 as well, and while I love the features in VS 10 (solution specific directories are definitely my favorite), the way it siezes my processors and won't let go, not to mention the repeated crashes when using class wizard or trying to do simple things like add a new or existing class or project is monumentaly frustrating. I was hoping VS 11 would fix all that without mucking up the rest. Now it lools like I'll just have to wait for VS 12.
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Well if you think about marketing that is what makes sence to do. If everything is colorful and bright and you want your system to stand out and be unique tone down. Then when everyone begins to mimic you (again), brighten up. Rinse and repeat and stay ahead of the market :-D
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.
That was my first fear when I saw the headline too ...
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Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Don't like it. Too gray. Boring.
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Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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It is still being developed. We will not see an official release until after (maybe slightly before) W8.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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VS2005/2008 were the best looking. But I love the VS2010 feature to separate a code window from the app and place it on the second monitor to do side by side comparison of code. VS2010 is ugly though and so seems to be VS 11...
I am with you there. I liked the older look ('05 and '08) better, but I moved into 2010 right away because of the features. I don't like the look of VS11 but I understand what they are doing. So it may actually make me more productive.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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If you wanna stay ahead of the market, don't copy your competitor's UI (OSX Lion). That's trying to keep up with the market.
Thats assuming marketing and branding items are not cyclical (my belief is they are) If they are cyclical you should copy your competition at just the right time, cause then you are ahead :)
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface. I don't meant to be the stodgy old fart but do programmers really care about icongraphy so long as it is easy to identify and is always in the same place? (Oh, wait they kept the annoying ever changing tool bar)
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
they kept the annoying ever changing tool bar
Which explains why, since I still use Visual Studio .NET 2003, 2005, and 2008 on a daily basis, I replace the 'Standard' toolbar with one of my own that has the same functions in the same order: open solution, close solution, change source control, source control share, update source control status, build type (debug or release), and so on.
Software Zen:
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I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface. I don't meant to be the stodgy old fart but do programmers really care about icongraphy so long as it is easy to identify and is always in the same place? (Oh, wait they kept the annoying ever changing tool bar)
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
Speaking of bugs, do you know if they fixed the failure in the Debug.Assert() in VS11? I just ran across the bug where certain asserts fail and are logged to the Output window but the code continues running. Argh!
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Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
The appearance changes to VS11 are Microsoft eating its Metro dog food. The UI mavens clearly think the existing window + menu + buttonbar + tabs + multiple windows thing has gotten overdone (and how can you argue with that) and want a cleaner, simpler look. I'm not a graphic designer or a UX guru, but I am a dev with low vision. I can tell you that the new simpler iconography is easier to read, and the new less-colored display elements will probably make better sense with high contrast windows themes. My applause to the VS11 design. Even if you're still an eagle-eyed 20-something, you may find the reduced complexity of the visual experience more restful when you've been staring at the screen for 12 consecutive hours. And who doesn't want more lines of text because there are fewer dividers and borders.
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I like that dark theme. But what I really want to know is...will they bring back middle click? (Minor, but annoying when you're used to using it in...every other application ever...currently the only way to get middle click functionality is via add-ons)
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Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
All in all, I think it is great especially since the Native C++ environment has been updated to mimic the .NET intellisense and color coding schemes. It is still a memory hog and now even more extraneous processes are running in the background which probably contributes to its extremely annoying load time. I learned C with Borland's Turbo C compiler and just about every piece of sample code I wanted to play with had to be ported from MS to Borland. I shouldn't complain because having to do so most likely aided the learning process. One thing I miss: Dynamic Help. In version 7.0 with the platform SDK installed the help was fantastic; I didn't have to remember rarely used API functions. I could type a few characters or hover a word and a list of help topics would "magically" appear. This was another great learning tool for me and I am still learning.