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  • L Lost User

    Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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    Kevin McFarlane
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    I hate the monochrome and all caps in the tool windows. Takes us back over two decades. Google have done the same with their web apps. Why? (Some don’t like the UI of VS 2010 but I do.)

    Kevin

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    • P Pete OHanlon

      While I think it's generally a positive move in the interface, I am not so sure about the iconography. The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

      *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

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      realJSOP
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      Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

      The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

      This is just a beta. By the time they release it, they'll be even less intuitive AND in a place that you wouldn't expect.

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      • L lewax00

        I like that dark theme. But what I really want to know is...will they bring back middle click? (Minor, but annoying when you're used to using it in...every other application ever...currently the only way to get middle click functionality is via add-ons)

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        reilly96
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        dark theme I feel like I'm in expression blend

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        • L Lost User

          Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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          eyesark
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          I say VS will be the death of us all; I wish they could just make it more usable like Dynamics NAV development; anyone who has done C/SIDE knows how intuitive it all is, although the guys at Redmond are actually working very hard to kill a beautiful product. That dark theme looks like borrowed from WP7 themes or vice versa. I predict a riot

          No one asked me what I wanted to eat, my table was set, the plates and forks were ready, and the boar had given up it's life; I chose to be a vegetarian. ~Akasi

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          • L Lost User

            Well if you think about marketing that is what makes sence to do. If everything is colorful and bright and you want your system to stand out and be unique tone down. Then when everyone begins to mimic you (again), brighten up. Rinse and repeat and stay ahead of the market :-D

            Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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            Terry Rasmussen
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            Agreed. Personally I like the colors/gradients/lines, etc. This monochromatic interpretation: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-07-01/[^]

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            • L Lost User

              Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

              Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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              RugbyLeague
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              I think it looks Ok. Not many in the comments on that article seem to agree with me

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                Collin Jasnoch wrote:

                Well if you think about marketing that is what makes sence to do.

                What's a river in Leicestershire got to do with anything?

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                Lost User
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                I thought that was the price of meat in Denmark! I actually had a Staples employees go look up on the internet the price of a pound of hamburger in Denmark when I said that once!

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                • W Wjousts

                  So it's seem colors and gradients are now out again? These things seem to be cyclic. Expect VS 12 (or maybe 13 if I'm being generous) to boast about it's brightly colored icons and tasteful use of gradients.

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                  harlam357
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                  Exactly, so all the lip service for the last X number of years about gradients and a rich, colorful UI are out the door? We just had an interface change in VS2010. Stick with something for more than one version please.

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                  • K Kyudos

                    Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                    I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface.

                    Amen to that. I came to VS2010 from VS6 - 2010 runs like a dog in comparison. Even with multi-core compilation, it is still slower than VS6, compilation regularly freezes up my whole machine and the compilation dependency scanner seems to have taken a huge step backwards (it uses some arcane an indecipherable rules to decide what needs recompiling and when - and pretty much always decides that everything needs to be rebuilt).

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                    harlam357
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                    So true. I can't even browse work items or builds while recompiling. I have to open another instance of VS to do those things while waiting for the compile to finish. Very frustrating.

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                    • L Lost User

                      Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                      harlam357
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                      New UI... meh. I'm not excited. Looks like the Metro design team got a hold of Visual Studio. What I want to know is if they fixed C++/CLI intellisense. However, now that I've gotten used to working without it, I'm really not certain I want it back.

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                        Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                        Lost User
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                        VS2005/2008 were the best looking. But I love the VS2010 feature to separate a code window from the app and place it on the second monitor to do side by side comparison of code. VS2010 is ugly though and so seems to be VS 11...

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                          Those fuckers. The god-damned Expression Blend team got to them. It's got the same fucking unreadable color scheme UI! Agist pricks.

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          dandingus
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                          Agreed. I hated Expression for that very reason. Loved the UI in VS 2008 and 2010. Personally, I find a little color HELPS me find things better at a glance. Otherwise, it all blends together and instead of visual recognition of the icon, you spend your time actually READING the text of every tooltip. Are they insane? They're trying to make it HARDER for us?!

                          Dan Dingus MCSA, A+, Network+ Network & Systems Engineer

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                            New UI... meh. I'm not excited. Looks like the Metro design team got a hold of Visual Studio. What I want to know is if they fixed C++/CLI intellisense. However, now that I've gotten used to working without it, I'm really not certain I want it back.

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                            ian__lindsay
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                            Here's hoping! And maybe context sensitive help while they are at it.

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                            • K Kyudos

                              Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                              I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface.

                              Amen to that. I came to VS2010 from VS6 - 2010 runs like a dog in comparison. Even with multi-core compilation, it is still slower than VS6, compilation regularly freezes up my whole machine and the compilation dependency scanner seems to have taken a huge step backwards (it uses some arcane an indecipherable rules to decide what needs recompiling and when - and pretty much always decides that everything needs to be rebuilt).

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                              Michael Waters
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                              Agreed. I came to VS 10 from VS 6 as well, and while I love the features in VS 10 (solution specific directories are definitely my favorite), the way it siezes my processors and won't let go, not to mention the repeated crashes when using class wizard or trying to do simple things like add a new or existing class or project is monumentaly frustrating. I was hoping VS 11 would fix all that without mucking up the rest. Now it lools like I'll just have to wait for VS 12.

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                              • L Lost User

                                Well if you think about marketing that is what makes sence to do. If everything is colorful and bright and you want your system to stand out and be unique tone down. Then when everyone begins to mimic you (again), brighten up. Rinse and repeat and stay ahead of the market :-D

                                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                Br Bill
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                                If you wanna stay ahead of the market, don't copy your competitor's UI (OSX Lion). That's trying to keep up with the market.

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                                  Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

                                  *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                                  "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                  Earl Truss
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                                  Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                  Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

                                  That was my first fear when I saw the headline too ...

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                                  • L Lost User

                                    Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                                    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                    Jon Betzold
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                                    Don't like it. Too gray. Boring.

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                                      Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                                      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                      CDMTJX
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                                      Dumb question. Is it still in development, or released?

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                                        Dumb question. Is it still in development, or released?

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                                        Lost User
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                                        It is still being developed. We will not see an official release until after (maybe slightly before) W8.

                                        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          VS2005/2008 were the best looking. But I love the VS2010 feature to separate a code window from the app and place it on the second monitor to do side by side comparison of code. VS2010 is ugly though and so seems to be VS 11...

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                                          Lost User
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                                          I am with you there. I liked the older look ('05 and '08) better, but I moved into 2010 right away because of the features. I don't like the look of VS11 but I understand what they are doing. So it may actually make me more productive.

                                          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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