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  • L Lost User

    Primary and secondary education are free, that doesn't mean the teachers don't get paid.

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    AspDotNetDev
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    It isn't free, you just don't pay the teachers directly (the government is in the middle).

    Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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    • K killabyte

      information that is not meant as entertainment should be free in my books

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      Mike Hankey
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      No cash no motivation...do you code for free?

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        I have planned to take Visual Studio 2010 Certification exams this year and my main sources are these three books: - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-511): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Windows Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-515): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Web Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-516): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Accessing Data with ADO.NET The problem is that I have downloaded these books illegally for free and worse than that I don’t feel guilty at all.:confused: How about you? Have you ever downloaded programming books illegally? Did you feel guilty after that? :confused:

        William Shakespeare Three sentences for getting SUCCESS: a) Know more than other. b) Work more than other. c) Expect less than other.

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        I'm pleading a Bill Clinton on this one, I did download an illegal book but I didn't read it. :)

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        • A AspDotNetDev

          It isn't free, you just don't pay the teachers directly (the government is in the middle).

          Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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          Lost User
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          So it is free, you don't pay anything extra for using it than you do for not using it. The money you pay the government is the penalty for having the gall to live. How dare you.

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          • K killabyte

            No that is a product you have designed, what i meant was all educational material should be freely available to anyone and everyone.

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            Anthony Mushrow
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            That's a very blurry line your drawing.

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            • L Lost User

              So it is free, you don't pay anything extra for using it than you do for not using it. The money you pay the government is the penalty for having the gall to live. How dare you.

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              Exactly. It wouldn't be very fair to people who don't like reading to charge them for it. Eduction (at least in the US) is a bit different... I believe you actually have to go to school up to a certain point (though parents can opt out if they choose to home school their child).

              Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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              • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                No cash no motivation...do you code for free?

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                Yes.

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                • L Lost User

                  So it is free, you don't pay anything extra for using it than you do for not using it. The money you pay the government is the penalty for having the gall to live. How dare you.

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                  Anthony Mushrow
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                  Except that in most places that education is compulsory, so you don't really have the option not to use it.

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                  • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                    I'm pleading a Bill Clinton on this one, I did download an illegal book but I didn't read it. :)

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                    I read, but I didn't retain. :)

                    Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                    • M MehdiNaseri

                      I have planned to take Visual Studio 2010 Certification exams this year and my main sources are these three books: - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-511): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Windows Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-515): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Web Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-516): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Accessing Data with ADO.NET The problem is that I have downloaded these books illegally for free and worse than that I don’t feel guilty at all.:confused: How about you? Have you ever downloaded programming books illegally? Did you feel guilty after that? :confused:

                      William Shakespeare Three sentences for getting SUCCESS: a) Know more than other. b) Work more than other. c) Expect less than other.

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                      Huh. That's something I haven't done yet.

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                      • A AspDotNetDev

                        Exactly. It wouldn't be very fair to people who don't like reading to charge them for it. Eduction (at least in the US) is a bit different... I believe you actually have to go to school up to a certain point (though parents can opt out if they choose to home school their child).

                        Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                        Lost User
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                        Since when does the govt care about fairness? Oh wait, it doesn't. Anyway, my point is not that this should happen, just that it could. The government could make books free and pay authors with tax money. I don't expect that to happen.

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                        • K killabyte

                          information that is not meant as entertainment should be free in my books

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                          RC_Sebastien_C
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                          When reviewing resumes, I often think MS Certification is bordeline entertainment. So even by your logic I don't understand, this case is still wrong.

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                          • A AspDotNetDev

                            I read, but I didn't retain. :)

                            Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                            :laugh:

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                            • C Clifford Nelson

                              We have certainly proved that. Both Iraq and Libya gave up on nuclear weapon development, and got invaded. The message that many got from this is that you need to have nuclear weapons to keep the US from invading you.

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                              Clifford Nelson wrote:

                              We have certainly proved that. Both Iraq and Libya gave up on nuclear weapon development, and got invaded. The message that many got from this is that you need to have nuclear weapons to keep the US from invading you.

                              The US invasion of Libya was when? On the other hand: http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=4884[^] All those people had a nuclear program and now don't. But where's the laundry list of invasions to go with that if your point was valid? It would have taken you six seconds to confirm what you were posting before posting it. Why didn't you? Do you have so little respect for those who you might want to convince? Or are you trolling? Rhetorical questions. Don't bother to answer.

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                                I'm pleading a Bill Clinton on this one, I did download an illegal book but I didn't read it. :)

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                                Dave Kreskowiak
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                                Oh yeah?? Then explain that "stain"!

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                                  Oh yeah?? Then explain that "stain"!

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                                  Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                                  Oh yeah?? Then explain that "stain"!

                                  I don't know what you're talking about I did not have sex with that woman.

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                                    Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                                    Oh yeah?? Then explain that "stain"!

                                    I don't know what you're talking about I did not have sex with that woman.

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                                    Neither did I. Did she tell you I did? She's just blowing... hot air.

                                    Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                                    • M MehdiNaseri

                                      I have planned to take Visual Studio 2010 Certification exams this year and my main sources are these three books: - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-511): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Windows Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-515): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Web Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-516): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Accessing Data with ADO.NET The problem is that I have downloaded these books illegally for free and worse than that I don’t feel guilty at all.:confused: How about you? Have you ever downloaded programming books illegally? Did you feel guilty after that? :confused:

                                      William Shakespeare Three sentences for getting SUCCESS: a) Know more than other. b) Work more than other. c) Expect less than other.

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                                      Ethics vs morals. Ethics lets you sleep at night, knowing you won't get sued. Morals just let you sleep at night. So, can you sleep at night?

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                                      • S smcnulty2000

                                        Clifford Nelson wrote:

                                        We have certainly proved that. Both Iraq and Libya gave up on nuclear weapon development, and got invaded. The message that many got from this is that you need to have nuclear weapons to keep the US from invading you.

                                        The US invasion of Libya was when? On the other hand: http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=4884[^] All those people had a nuclear program and now don't. But where's the laundry list of invasions to go with that if your point was valid? It would have taken you six seconds to confirm what you were posting before posting it. Why didn't you? Do you have so little respect for those who you might want to convince? Or are you trolling? Rhetorical questions. Don't bother to answer.

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                                        Clifford Nelson
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                                        Ok we only invaded with planes. But still US military entered Libya and bombed (attacked). At one time that would have been considered war. I also have heard that there are now significant troop on the ground in Iraq, but they may just be the same rumor. I am not the one that actually came up with this notion, someone else did, and I thought they had a good point from a logic pov: have nuclear weapons and the US will not attack you.

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                                        • K killabyte

                                          information that is not meant as entertainment should be free in my books

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                                          Oh I get it - the CIA is paying for entertainment.

                                          Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

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