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  • A AspDotNetDev

    It isn't free, you just don't pay the teachers directly (the government is in the middle).

    Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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    Lost User
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    So it is free, you don't pay anything extra for using it than you do for not using it. The money you pay the government is the penalty for having the gall to live. How dare you.

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    • K killabyte

      No that is a product you have designed, what i meant was all educational material should be freely available to anyone and everyone.

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      Anthony Mushrow
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      That's a very blurry line your drawing.

      -SK Genius

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      • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

        No cash no motivation...do you code for free?

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        enhzflep
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        Yes.

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        • L Lost User

          So it is free, you don't pay anything extra for using it than you do for not using it. The money you pay the government is the penalty for having the gall to live. How dare you.

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          AspDotNetDev
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          Exactly. It wouldn't be very fair to people who don't like reading to charge them for it. Eduction (at least in the US) is a bit different... I believe you actually have to go to school up to a certain point (though parents can opt out if they choose to home school their child).

          Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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            So it is free, you don't pay anything extra for using it than you do for not using it. The money you pay the government is the penalty for having the gall to live. How dare you.

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            Anthony Mushrow
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            Except that in most places that education is compulsory, so you don't really have the option not to use it.

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            • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

              I'm pleading a Bill Clinton on this one, I did download an illegal book but I didn't read it. :)

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              AspDotNetDev
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              I read, but I didn't retain. :)

              Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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              • M MehdiNaseri

                I have planned to take Visual Studio 2010 Certification exams this year and my main sources are these three books: - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-511): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Windows Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-515): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Web Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-516): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Accessing Data with ADO.NET The problem is that I have downloaded these books illegally for free and worse than that I don’t feel guilty at all.:confused: How about you? Have you ever downloaded programming books illegally? Did you feel guilty after that? :confused:

                William Shakespeare Three sentences for getting SUCCESS: a) Know more than other. b) Work more than other. c) Expect less than other.

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                PIEBALDconsult
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                Huh. That's something I haven't done yet.

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                • A AspDotNetDev

                  Exactly. It wouldn't be very fair to people who don't like reading to charge them for it. Eduction (at least in the US) is a bit different... I believe you actually have to go to school up to a certain point (though parents can opt out if they choose to home school their child).

                  Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                  Lost User
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                  Since when does the govt care about fairness? Oh wait, it doesn't. Anyway, my point is not that this should happen, just that it could. The government could make books free and pay authors with tax money. I don't expect that to happen.

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                  • K killabyte

                    information that is not meant as entertainment should be free in my books

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                    RC_Sebastien_C
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                    When reviewing resumes, I often think MS Certification is bordeline entertainment. So even by your logic I don't understand, this case is still wrong.

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                    • A AspDotNetDev

                      I read, but I didn't retain. :)

                      Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                      RC_Sebastien_C
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                      :laugh:

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                      • C Clifford Nelson

                        We have certainly proved that. Both Iraq and Libya gave up on nuclear weapon development, and got invaded. The message that many got from this is that you need to have nuclear weapons to keep the US from invading you.

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                        Clifford Nelson wrote:

                        We have certainly proved that. Both Iraq and Libya gave up on nuclear weapon development, and got invaded. The message that many got from this is that you need to have nuclear weapons to keep the US from invading you.

                        The US invasion of Libya was when? On the other hand: http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=4884[^] All those people had a nuclear program and now don't. But where's the laundry list of invasions to go with that if your point was valid? It would have taken you six seconds to confirm what you were posting before posting it. Why didn't you? Do you have so little respect for those who you might want to convince? Or are you trolling? Rhetorical questions. Don't bother to answer.

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                        • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                          I'm pleading a Bill Clinton on this one, I did download an illegal book but I didn't read it. :)

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                          Dave Kreskowiak
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                          Oh yeah?? Then explain that "stain"!

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                            Oh yeah?? Then explain that "stain"!

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                            Mike Hankey
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                            Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                            Oh yeah?? Then explain that "stain"!

                            I don't know what you're talking about I did not have sex with that woman.

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                            • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                              Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                              Oh yeah?? Then explain that "stain"!

                              I don't know what you're talking about I did not have sex with that woman.

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                              AspDotNetDev
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                              Neither did I. Did she tell you I did? She's just blowing... hot air.

                              Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                              • M MehdiNaseri

                                I have planned to take Visual Studio 2010 Certification exams this year and my main sources are these three books: - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-511): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Windows Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-515): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Web Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-516): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Accessing Data with ADO.NET The problem is that I have downloaded these books illegally for free and worse than that I don’t feel guilty at all.:confused: How about you? Have you ever downloaded programming books illegally? Did you feel guilty after that? :confused:

                                William Shakespeare Three sentences for getting SUCCESS: a) Know more than other. b) Work more than other. c) Expect less than other.

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                                Ethics vs morals. Ethics lets you sleep at night, knowing you won't get sued. Morals just let you sleep at night. So, can you sleep at night?

                                Douglas Jost

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                                • S smcnulty2000

                                  Clifford Nelson wrote:

                                  We have certainly proved that. Both Iraq and Libya gave up on nuclear weapon development, and got invaded. The message that many got from this is that you need to have nuclear weapons to keep the US from invading you.

                                  The US invasion of Libya was when? On the other hand: http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=4884[^] All those people had a nuclear program and now don't. But where's the laundry list of invasions to go with that if your point was valid? It would have taken you six seconds to confirm what you were posting before posting it. Why didn't you? Do you have so little respect for those who you might want to convince? Or are you trolling? Rhetorical questions. Don't bother to answer.

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                                  Clifford Nelson
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                                  Ok we only invaded with planes. But still US military entered Libya and bombed (attacked). At one time that would have been considered war. I also have heard that there are now significant troop on the ground in Iraq, but they may just be the same rumor. I am not the one that actually came up with this notion, someone else did, and I thought they had a good point from a logic pov: have nuclear weapons and the US will not attack you.

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                                  • K killabyte

                                    information that is not meant as entertainment should be free in my books

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                                    Lost User
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                                    Oh I get it - the CIA is paying for entertainment.

                                    Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

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                                    • M MehdiNaseri

                                      I have planned to take Visual Studio 2010 Certification exams this year and my main sources are these three books: - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-511): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Windows Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-515): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Web Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-516): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Accessing Data with ADO.NET The problem is that I have downloaded these books illegally for free and worse than that I don’t feel guilty at all.:confused: How about you? Have you ever downloaded programming books illegally? Did you feel guilty after that? :confused:

                                      William Shakespeare Three sentences for getting SUCCESS: a) Know more than other. b) Work more than other. c) Expect less than other.

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                                      Chris Meech
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                                      Where's your parrot.

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                                      • M MehdiNaseri

                                        I have planned to take Visual Studio 2010 Certification exams this year and my main sources are these three books: - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-511): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Windows Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-515): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Web Applications Development - MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-516): Microsoft .NET Framework 4—Accessing Data with ADO.NET The problem is that I have downloaded these books illegally for free and worse than that I don’t feel guilty at all.:confused: How about you? Have you ever downloaded programming books illegally? Did you feel guilty after that? :confused:

                                        William Shakespeare Three sentences for getting SUCCESS: a) Know more than other. b) Work more than other. c) Expect less than other.

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                                        thatraja
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                                        when I was a kid, I pirated almost all my games. Maturity comes with age, but so does income.

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                                        • K killabyte

                                          No that is a product you have designed, what i meant was all educational material should be freely available to anyone and everyone.

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                                          Roger Wright
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                                          That's a very odd line of reasoning. Do you think a textbook requires no design? No effort to write, let alone the years of study and practice required to become proficient enough to write it? There is one kind of IP I willingly steal - government documents. As a taxpayer, I paid for their development, and unless they are classified, they're public domain by law. For instance, the amount of knowledge and research contained in DOD and MIL standards and specifications could not be surpassed by any small to medium size company, and I can see no justification for any private venture to spend a dime duplicating such documents. There's a treasure trove of free information there for the taking, and it's not illegal. Various other government departments publish standards, too. When my boss wanted to have a standard for constructing high voltage transmission lines, I found a RUS standard that not only included specifications for such things as height above water and pole strength, but also included a step-by-step procedure - with equations for calculating load resistance - for designing the structures to support the line. Another good source is local government publications. When I needed a standard for designing sewer pipe installations, I found that the Maricopa Association of Governments had already published - free for the taking - a set of specifications for sewer installation, along with a book of detailed design drawings for anyone to use! We adopted them immediately, as have many hundreds of utilities in the US, simply because they are so well done, and represent thousands of engineering hours of work that we can't afford to reproduce. I've spent 40 years becoming an expert at what I do. I've poured my heart and soul into becoming the best engineer that I can be, and from what I've been told, I'm pretty damned good at it. Maybe someday I'll write a textbook, or possibly just a white paper or two. But if you think you're entitled to the fruits of my intellectual labors over a lifetime for free, I'm inclined to elect to go to my grave with my knowledge kept to myself. You and your offspring can damned well spend your lives sitting around your rent-controlled, homeowner-association-monitored caves wondering if rocks are edible, and what color this wheel thingy ought to be. I'm not singling you out, kid - you just struck a nerve. There's a whole generation out there that has never done a day's honest work, and thinks that anything they want should be free, that the efforts of others are for their free use

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