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  • M Mycroft Holmes

    PraneethNSubasekara wrote:

    Dont restrict listening to music while working

    Wow I never considered a company would want to do that! I imagine the same attitude would supply nice open plan benches to work on. There door, the door, wheres the door, I'm outta here!

    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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    Keith Barrow
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    Mine is. To complete the double-whammy they are also want to pipe Radio n int the office, where n < 3. The worst outcome would be Radio 1 being piped, and frankly don't Radio 2 either, not if I'm forced to sit and listen to it for 8 hours a day.

    Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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    • S SockPuppeteer

      Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's ASPx

      .\\axxx

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      Maximilien
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      SockPuppeteer wrote:

      Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's Wifi

      Nihil obstat

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      • M Mycroft Holmes

        PraneethNSubasekara wrote:

        HR managers

        Okay that explains it, HR are a bunch of anally retentive, brain dead, vacuous idiots who are a complete PITA, and no I'm not prejudiced, that is fair and balanced assessment of HR, and their managers are the worst of the lot!

        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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        Colin Mullikin
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        Mycroft Holmes wrote:

        a bunch of anally retentive, brain dead, vacuous idiots who are a complete PITA

        Tell us how you really feel... :laugh:

        The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

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        • C Colin Mullikin

          Mycroft Holmes wrote:

          a bunch of anally retentive, brain dead, vacuous idiots who are a complete PITA

          Tell us how you really feel... :laugh:

          The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

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          charlieg
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          He didn't. He just kept it kid safe. However, to be fair, I have once been a manager, and HR people can come in handy from time to time.

          Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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          • M Mycroft Holmes

            I'm chicken I'll wait till I get home to find out what Lynda.com is :-D !

            Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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            AspDotNetDev
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            Now that I think about it, I think I was thinking about Marc Clifton in my previous message. Or maybe not. I don't know. :doh:

            Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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            • A AspDotNetDev

              Now that I think about it, I think I was thinking about Marc Clifton in my previous message. Or maybe not. I don't know. :doh:

              Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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              Mycroft Holmes
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              I imagine Marc knows all about that site!

              Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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              • M Mycroft Holmes

                PraneethNSubasekara wrote:

                HR managers

                Okay that explains it, HR are a bunch of anally retentive, brain dead, vacuous idiots who are a complete PITA, and no I'm not prejudiced, that is fair and balanced assessment of HR, and their managers are the worst of the lot!

                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                CHill60
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                Oh NOW I wish voting was on ... 5, 5, 5 :)

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                • B BobJanova

                  You want to be as flexible as you can – the best developers are creative people and will be stifled by aggressive monitoring or timekeeping rules. At my company we have a guideline number of hours we should do each day, and moderately flexible times (as long as you are around 10-4, you can extend your day at either end); we don't have strict Internet usage rules and although we currently have a rule against listening to music, it's not enforced as long as you have headphones on.

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                  Rosenne
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                  We have similar rules, plus: no overtime (on a weekly basis) except in special cases.

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                  • H Huzifa Terkawi

                    if you are about to start a new software company , what would your company internal law look like ? any hint will highly appreciated :) thanks

                    huzifa

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                    Roger165
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                    1. Freedom 2. Fast computers with many monitors 3. White Boards - Wireless 4. Coffee, water, etc. 5. Nice bathrooms 6. Nerf toys Optional A. Fridge dedicated to Beer

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                    • M Mycroft Holmes

                      PraneethNSubasekara wrote:

                      Dont restrict listening to music while working

                      Wow I never considered a company would want to do that! I imagine the same attitude would supply nice open plan benches to work on. There door, the door, wheres the door, I'm outta here!

                      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                      Dan Neely
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                      The manufacturing job I worked at between when I graduated and got a programming job banned music about a week and a half before I left because production rates had dropped (the fact that they'd just sacked about 70-80% of the midnight shift and replaced them with newbies obviously wasn't a factor :rolleyes: ) and told us we'd be allowed to have our CD players back when the numbers improved. My comment (to coworkers, not the pointy hairs) was the standard 'the beatings will continue until morale improves'. I'm not sure what eventually happened since we were even farther from the (virtually impossible to meet) nominal quotas my last full week there. :doh:

                      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                      • M Maximilien

                        SockPuppeteer wrote:

                        Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's Wifi

                        Nihil obstat

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                        Lost User
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                        “Thou shall not make database calls in vain, for the database server will not hold him guiltless who makes calls to it in vain.

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                        • S SockPuppeteer

                          Hey! come on! Be fair. Oh, wait a minute - you are being fair.

                          .\\axxx

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                          The truth cannot be pejorative.

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                          • P PraneethNSubasekara

                            Well in my experiance, programmers have a pretty stressful life. Its is essenstial to give them adequet freedom in their workplace (not too much). Most sufable content should be monitored this is done with interest on the employees behalf and the companies behalf. The employee, because restricting access to social networking sites will definitly show a boost in effeciency and performance in the work they do. The company aspect is that its preferable that employess dont missuse company bandwidth for personal tasks. When it comes to worklife balance, flexi work hours should be naturally considered as this is a key aspect many employees look for in a software company. It would help them gain the work life balance they need. (Dont restrict listening to music while working) most programmers work better while blasting some tunes in their ears :) !!!!

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                            IndifferentDisdain
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                            I have to say, I disagree with the controls listed here. I just finished my MBA and work for a company with unfettered access to internet, social media, etc. Productivity is fine. Especially with smartphones, people will access facebook, twitter, etc. if they want. Unfortunately, access is slower on a smartphone, so it takes even longer to waste time. The theory is that, if you treat the employees as adults, they'll tend to act like adults. Some basic monitoring is okay, then address any outliers as needed. The only thing I would consider restricting would be obvious pornographic/gambling sites (just for your network's sake) and streaming media sites like Pandora, but only if you have a bandwidth concern. Judge the employees based on their productivity, not necessarily how they achieve productivity.

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                            • P PraneethNSubasekara

                              Well in my experiance, programmers have a pretty stressful life. Its is essenstial to give them adequet freedom in their workplace (not too much). Most sufable content should be monitored this is done with interest on the employees behalf and the companies behalf. The employee, because restricting access to social networking sites will definitly show a boost in effeciency and performance in the work they do. The company aspect is that its preferable that employess dont missuse company bandwidth for personal tasks. When it comes to worklife balance, flexi work hours should be naturally considered as this is a key aspect many employees look for in a software company. It would help them gain the work life balance they need. (Dont restrict listening to music while working) most programmers work better while blasting some tunes in their ears :) !!!!

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                              Fabio Franco
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                              PraneethNSubasekara wrote:

                              restricting access to social networking sites will definitly show a boost in effeciency and performance in the work they do

                              I don't agree with that one because: 1 - Employees that tend to engage a lot in social networking will still do it in their smartphones which will make them lose even more time with it. 2 - Social networking is just one part of what employees that like to drift away from work will do. Ban social networking they will just keep on browsing something else not work related. You have to fix the culture, not ban social networking. Monitoring employees internet usage and warning employees would be a much more effective way to boost productivity. 3 - I believe social networking can actually improve productivity as it is a good way to relieve stress sometimes and to take your mind away from a profession that is very brain intensive. Having a few minutes of relief in social networking can give the brain a break so it can have a fresh start in a few minutes. This of course works if the employee does not overuse social networking and uses common sense, which brings back to point 2.

                              PraneethNSubasekara wrote:

                              The company aspect is that its preferable that employess dont missuse company bandwidth for personal tasks.

                              I agree, but I don't think banning it altogether is any good. Video streaming of course shouldn't be allowed as it can compromise the bandwidth other employees might need. But some personal tasks should be allowed so the user does not have to leave the office just to pay some bills. This can be really bad for the employee's motivation. Small personal tasks like internet banking and others should be allowed IMO, as long as it does not compromise the client or the company's security and NDAs.

                              To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia

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                              • S Super Lloyd

                                internal law? what is that?

                                A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                                Florin Jurcovici
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                                Super Lloyd wrote:

                                internal law? what is that?

                                That's what pretexts management can use to hang people :laugh:

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                                • P PraneethNSubasekara

                                  Well in my experiance, programmers have a pretty stressful life. Its is essenstial to give them adequet freedom in their workplace (not too much). Most sufable content should be monitored this is done with interest on the employees behalf and the companies behalf. The employee, because restricting access to social networking sites will definitly show a boost in effeciency and performance in the work they do. The company aspect is that its preferable that employess dont missuse company bandwidth for personal tasks. When it comes to worklife balance, flexi work hours should be naturally considered as this is a key aspect many employees look for in a software company. It would help them gain the work life balance they need. (Dont restrict listening to music while working) most programmers work better while blasting some tunes in their ears :) !!!!

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                                  Florin Jurcovici
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                                  Pardon me, but that's not my experience. Programmers work with their brains, not their hands. The brain has a mind of his own, and doesn't react well to monotony or any kind of restrictions. Also, the brain doesn't stop working on job stuff when you go home - unless you hate your job. Therefore, in order to get a high productivity and quality code from programmers, you need them to love their job, nothing more. You can chain a programmer to his keyboard in an empty room for ten hours a day, and he may be producing more lines of code than someone working from home, or working only when he pleases to, but that's not what you're after. You want as much functionality delivered each day as possible. A bored or annoyed programmer may deliver more lines of code, but these lines will definitely implement less functionality, contain more technical debt, more bugs and require higher costs for maintenance. Trying to get programmers to be more productive by using restrictions is like pulling a plant by its leaves to make it grow faster.

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                                  • M Maximilien

                                    SockPuppeteer wrote:

                                    Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's Wifi

                                    Nihil obstat

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                                    BrainiacV
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                                    Thou shalt not fornicate on company time nor furniture.

                                    Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.

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                                    • M Mycroft Holmes

                                      PraneethNSubasekara wrote:

                                      HR managers

                                      Okay that explains it, HR are a bunch of anally retentive, brain dead, vacuous idiots who are a complete PITA, and no I'm not prejudiced, that is fair and balanced assessment of HR, and their managers are the worst of the lot!

                                      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                      thomas michaud
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                                      Shouldn't that be Mycroft Holmes IV? (It's scary when you meet yourself.)

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                                      • H Huzifa Terkawi

                                        if you are about to start a new software company , what would your company internal law look like ? any hint will highly appreciated :) thanks

                                        huzifa

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                                        RafagaX
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                                        As flexible as it can, probably it won't ever exist. :)

                                        CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...

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                                        • H Huzifa Terkawi

                                          if you are about to start a new software company , what would your company internal law look like ? any hint will highly appreciated :) thanks

                                          huzifa

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                                          Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                                          "Play nice, keep learning and don't be an arse." "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's dev rig. Ask, and ye shall receive (as long as you're not being an arse about it)."

                                          Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"

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