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Anything said by the clergy needs a special decoder ring or something, normally the basis of what has been said is true but the lines have gaps miles wide to fit the text that needs to be read between them. My guess is he's tired of fighting the paedophile scandals fall-out, and the probable pressure to end the celibacy that is seen as a contributing factor and the recruitment crisis this is causing. That said, I had the same gut reaction that there is something deeper behind this, but we'll never find out as the Vatican is excellent at keeping secrets. Never mind, here is a picture of a Pope[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Keith Barrow wrote:
Anything said by the clergy needs a special decoder ring or something
And politicians! Which, in my esteemed opinion, are two sides of the same coin. Marc
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Keith Barrow wrote:
Anything said by the clergy needs a special decoder ring or something
And politicians! Which, in my esteemed opinion, are two sides of the same coin. Marc
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Says he didn't want to be Pope in the first place, and was looking forward to retirement when the last fella died. Can a prospective Pope turn it down? Seems to my very limited knowledge and some quick reading there is something of a lack of candidates at the top end of the organisation. I wonder if it might be a good gig to try and get in on. I quite like religion, the pomp and ceremony, the costumes and buildings and so on. It is the faith bit I have a complete lack of. I've bluffed my way through tougher interviews though.
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All of the younger candidates have brains that are at least tuned to the latter half of the 20th century (21st century is too much to hope for), so they need to go as old as possible to keep things as medieval as possible.
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I quite like religion, the pomp and ceremony, the costumes and buildings and so on. It is the faith bit I have a complete lack of.
I like it too, I feel like it's being able to witness quaint, ancient rituals without having to bother with the complications and potential paradoxes of time travel. Like watching a procession for the pharoah in ancient Egypt, or if you could watch expensive royal ceremonies paid for by the people in the British Empire.
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I've had the latest from our resident Cat Lick, Mrs Wife. This is a very interesting state as the man is selected by God [allegedly] it is not his choice to accept or decline the post. In the same vein only God can decide if he should stop doing the job - normally achieved through removal of privileges; breathing to start with. Now if he didn't want the job, then he's saying that God made the wrong choice, which makes God wrong and so He is fallible which totally refutes the Cat Lick teaching. On the other hand, if God chose the right man but he's decided to spend more time with his choristers, that still looks pretty shitty for Him. I will be very interested to hear what has to be said next Sunday at Mass. :laugh: :laugh:
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I've had the latest from our resident Cat Lick
I take great offense at that term, you took the "Ho" out of Catholic! We can't have that.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
I've had the latest from our resident Cat Lick
I take great offense at that term, you took the "Ho" out of Catholic! We can't have that.
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Popes including the first one Peter himself
Peter was a pope? No, he was an apostle. I think the first Pope was something of a couple hundred years later.
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You are correct Peter was indeed an apostle, but a special one at that. Take a look at the following links so you can understand why I said that Peter was the first Pope. The intention of this is so you can see where I am coming from. Consider these articles. Peter's Primacy[^] Origins of Peter as Pope[^] Peter and the papacy[^] I know this is a bunch of reading, but hopefully you can print these articles and sit down with a cup of tea/coffee/beverage and read through it. If you have any articles for me to read that would state the contrary I would love to take a look. I enjoy reading! :) Thanks for the correction by the way! As I stated in a my previous message we are all fallible people including myself! :)
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You are correct Peter was indeed an apostle, but a special one at that. Take a look at the following links so you can understand why I said that Peter was the first Pope. The intention of this is so you can see where I am coming from. Consider these articles. Peter's Primacy[^] Origins of Peter as Pope[^] Peter and the papacy[^] I know this is a bunch of reading, but hopefully you can print these articles and sit down with a cup of tea/coffee/beverage and read through it. If you have any articles for me to read that would state the contrary I would love to take a look. I enjoy reading! :) Thanks for the correction by the way! As I stated in a my previous message we are all fallible people including myself! :)
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Yes, I know what the Catholics say about Peter. It isn't correct though. That's all.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I really do appreciate your thoughts. :) I wish I did better understand why you believe that. If ever you have some articles for me please feel free to send them my way (I really do enjoy reading). Thanks again for the feedback! :)
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Yes, I know what the Catholics say about Peter. It isn't correct though. That's all.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Funnily enough, I believe they say similar things about your religion as well. Isn't it amazing? One God, and yet every religion thinks that only they are right?
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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Funnily enough, I believe they say similar things about your religion as well. Isn't it amazing? One God, and yet every religion thinks that only they are right?
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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I believe they say similar things about your religion as well
Masturbation is a religion?
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I believe they say similar things about your religion as well
Masturbation is a religion?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
It is for a lot of teenagers
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I really do appreciate your thoughts. :) I wish I did better understand why you believe that. If ever you have some articles for me please feel free to send them my way (I really do enjoy reading). Thanks again for the feedback! :)
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I wish I did better understand why you believe that.
I'm surprised that you're surprised. :) There are tons of articles, but Wiki has an article on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope[^] It states "The earliest record of the use of this title was in regard to the by then deceased Patriarch of Alexandria, Pope Heraclas of Alexandria (232–248)" But most importantly, the Bible says nothing of popes. If the Church continued uninterrupted, why is there no more Bible? Catholics are the only ones who believe Peter was a pope. All other Christians do not believe that Peter was a pope which is why I say there are tons of articles on it and is a very common belief, at least outside the Catholic church.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Funnily enough, I believe they say similar things about your religion as well. Isn't it amazing? One God, and yet every religion thinks that only they are right?
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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One God, and yet every religion thinks that only they are right?
Sort of. I get your point, but oddly enough, most people I have asked say the think their religion is good, but most people know it probably is not the true church. That could be a fun exercise for you, ask people if they believe Christ is at the head of their church, just like in the days of the Bible. You may be surprised to see how few people actually do believe their church is the true church.
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One God, and yet every religion thinks that only they are right?
Sort of. I get your point, but oddly enough, most people I have asked say the think their religion is good, but most people know it probably is not the true church. That could be a fun exercise for you, ask people if they believe Christ is at the head of their church, just like in the days of the Bible. You may be surprised to see how few people actually do believe their church is the true church.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I have a distorted world view - I have a Jehovah's Witness family on one side of me, and a Methodist family the other side. Our house is like the buffer zone in Star Trek.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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I have a distorted world view - I have a Jehovah's Witness family on one side of me, and a Methodist family the other side. Our house is like the buffer zone in Star Trek.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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Pope Benedict set to resign at the end of the month. Source[^]. This is meant to be a neutral news item from me - it's not intended to kick off a religious/atheist debate, but I've posted it here because I know that trying to keep the kiddies from having a go at each other is futile.
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I wish I did better understand why you believe that.
I'm surprised that you're surprised. :) There are tons of articles, but Wiki has an article on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope[^] It states "The earliest record of the use of this title was in regard to the by then deceased Patriarch of Alexandria, Pope Heraclas of Alexandria (232–248)" But most importantly, the Bible says nothing of popes. If the Church continued uninterrupted, why is there no more Bible? Catholics are the only ones who believe Peter was a pope. All other Christians do not believe that Peter was a pope which is why I say there are tons of articles on it and is a very common belief, at least outside the Catholic church.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Glad that I got you surprised! :laugh: I think I did a poor job articulating what I was trying to get at. I was just wondering about the role of Peter and why you believe he had no primacy? That's all. I didn't want to get stuck in the semantics of the word. When was it invented, who invented it, etc. But rather what the word represents. So let me do my best to rephrase my question. I hope I get this right. Please bear with me. Are there any articles to help me understand why you believe Peter was not singled out among the 12? Not meant to strengthen the 12 should they fall? Not meant to feed the "sheep" and "lambs"? Does this make better sense? I hope this does a better job. Was looking for something to read during my lunch break or after work. Thanks! :)
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Glad that I got you surprised! :laugh: I think I did a poor job articulating what I was trying to get at. I was just wondering about the role of Peter and why you believe he had no primacy? That's all. I didn't want to get stuck in the semantics of the word. When was it invented, who invented it, etc. But rather what the word represents. So let me do my best to rephrase my question. I hope I get this right. Please bear with me. Are there any articles to help me understand why you believe Peter was not singled out among the 12? Not meant to strengthen the 12 should they fall? Not meant to feed the "sheep" and "lambs"? Does this make better sense? I hope this does a better job. Was looking for something to read during my lunch break or after work. Thanks! :)
I agree that Peter was singled out to a degree. He was the Senior apostle. He was not the pope. That was something invented by man at a later date. After Peter died and the other apostles died, the church that Christ established also died. It no longer had the authority to continue on. There were no more prophets and therefore no more scripture. That is why the New Testament ends. It isn't because God had nothing more to say, it's because His representatives were no longer alive. Yes, there were good people, called Christians, who tried to keep the church going but it was on their own, without revelation. During the Nicean creed (somewhere around 300 AD) they got together and tried to decide what God was like. There were no more prophets to declare God's word, it was now just man trying to come up with doctrine on their own. I could go on and on and on, but I'll stop. My only point was that Peter was not a Pope, that was a term created much later and that the authority and revelation ended shortly after Peter was killed.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I agree that Peter was singled out to a degree. He was the Senior apostle. He was not the pope. That was something invented by man at a later date. After Peter died and the other apostles died, the church that Christ established also died. It no longer had the authority to continue on. There were no more prophets and therefore no more scripture. That is why the New Testament ends. It isn't because God had nothing more to say, it's because His representatives were no longer alive. Yes, there were good people, called Christians, who tried to keep the church going but it was on their own, without revelation. During the Nicean creed (somewhere around 300 AD) they got together and tried to decide what God was like. There were no more prophets to declare God's word, it was now just man trying to come up with doctrine on their own. I could go on and on and on, but I'll stop. My only point was that Peter was not a Pope, that was a term created much later and that the authority and revelation ended shortly after Peter was killed.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Thanks for that response. I still don't understand how you arrived to that conclusion. That's why I am trying to understand why you believe that. Was hoping to get some articles to read that supports your belief. My whole philosophy is "the proof is in the pudding". Not trying to poke fun at you or anything like that. Was curious and wanted to understand why you believe that. Never the less I appreciate this dialogue. I truly do. :)
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