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Peter was a pope? No, he was an apostle. I think the first Pope was something of a couple hundred years later.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
You are correct Peter was indeed an apostle, but a special one at that. Take a look at the following links so you can understand why I said that Peter was the first Pope. The intention of this is so you can see where I am coming from. Consider these articles. Peter's Primacy[^] Origins of Peter as Pope[^] Peter and the papacy[^] I know this is a bunch of reading, but hopefully you can print these articles and sit down with a cup of tea/coffee/beverage and read through it. If you have any articles for me to read that would state the contrary I would love to take a look. I enjoy reading! :) Thanks for the correction by the way! As I stated in a my previous message we are all fallible people including myself! :)
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You are correct Peter was indeed an apostle, but a special one at that. Take a look at the following links so you can understand why I said that Peter was the first Pope. The intention of this is so you can see where I am coming from. Consider these articles. Peter's Primacy[^] Origins of Peter as Pope[^] Peter and the papacy[^] I know this is a bunch of reading, but hopefully you can print these articles and sit down with a cup of tea/coffee/beverage and read through it. If you have any articles for me to read that would state the contrary I would love to take a look. I enjoy reading! :) Thanks for the correction by the way! As I stated in a my previous message we are all fallible people including myself! :)
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Yes, I know what the Catholics say about Peter. It isn't correct though. That's all.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I really do appreciate your thoughts. :) I wish I did better understand why you believe that. If ever you have some articles for me please feel free to send them my way (I really do enjoy reading). Thanks again for the feedback! :)
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Yes, I know what the Catholics say about Peter. It isn't correct though. That's all.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Funnily enough, I believe they say similar things about your religion as well. Isn't it amazing? One God, and yet every religion thinks that only they are right?
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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Funnily enough, I believe they say similar things about your religion as well. Isn't it amazing? One God, and yet every religion thinks that only they are right?
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierPete O'Hanlon wrote:
I believe they say similar things about your religion as well
Masturbation is a religion?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I believe they say similar things about your religion as well
Masturbation is a religion?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
It is for a lot of teenagers
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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I really do appreciate your thoughts. :) I wish I did better understand why you believe that. If ever you have some articles for me please feel free to send them my way (I really do enjoy reading). Thanks again for the feedback! :)
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I wish I did better understand why you believe that.
I'm surprised that you're surprised. :) There are tons of articles, but Wiki has an article on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope[^] It states "The earliest record of the use of this title was in regard to the by then deceased Patriarch of Alexandria, Pope Heraclas of Alexandria (232–248)" But most importantly, the Bible says nothing of popes. If the Church continued uninterrupted, why is there no more Bible? Catholics are the only ones who believe Peter was a pope. All other Christians do not believe that Peter was a pope which is why I say there are tons of articles on it and is a very common belief, at least outside the Catholic church.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Funnily enough, I believe they say similar things about your religion as well. Isn't it amazing? One God, and yet every religion thinks that only they are right?
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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One God, and yet every religion thinks that only they are right?
Sort of. I get your point, but oddly enough, most people I have asked say the think their religion is good, but most people know it probably is not the true church. That could be a fun exercise for you, ask people if they believe Christ is at the head of their church, just like in the days of the Bible. You may be surprised to see how few people actually do believe their church is the true church.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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One God, and yet every religion thinks that only they are right?
Sort of. I get your point, but oddly enough, most people I have asked say the think their religion is good, but most people know it probably is not the true church. That could be a fun exercise for you, ask people if they believe Christ is at the head of their church, just like in the days of the Bible. You may be surprised to see how few people actually do believe their church is the true church.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I have a distorted world view - I have a Jehovah's Witness family on one side of me, and a Methodist family the other side. Our house is like the buffer zone in Star Trek.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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I have a distorted world view - I have a Jehovah's Witness family on one side of me, and a Methodist family the other side. Our house is like the buffer zone in Star Trek.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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Pope Benedict set to resign at the end of the month. Source[^]. This is meant to be a neutral news item from me - it's not intended to kick off a religious/atheist debate, but I've posted it here because I know that trying to keep the kiddies from having a go at each other is futile.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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I wish I did better understand why you believe that.
I'm surprised that you're surprised. :) There are tons of articles, but Wiki has an article on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope[^] It states "The earliest record of the use of this title was in regard to the by then deceased Patriarch of Alexandria, Pope Heraclas of Alexandria (232–248)" But most importantly, the Bible says nothing of popes. If the Church continued uninterrupted, why is there no more Bible? Catholics are the only ones who believe Peter was a pope. All other Christians do not believe that Peter was a pope which is why I say there are tons of articles on it and is a very common belief, at least outside the Catholic church.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Glad that I got you surprised! :laugh: I think I did a poor job articulating what I was trying to get at. I was just wondering about the role of Peter and why you believe he had no primacy? That's all. I didn't want to get stuck in the semantics of the word. When was it invented, who invented it, etc. But rather what the word represents. So let me do my best to rephrase my question. I hope I get this right. Please bear with me. Are there any articles to help me understand why you believe Peter was not singled out among the 12? Not meant to strengthen the 12 should they fall? Not meant to feed the "sheep" and "lambs"? Does this make better sense? I hope this does a better job. Was looking for something to read during my lunch break or after work. Thanks! :)
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Glad that I got you surprised! :laugh: I think I did a poor job articulating what I was trying to get at. I was just wondering about the role of Peter and why you believe he had no primacy? That's all. I didn't want to get stuck in the semantics of the word. When was it invented, who invented it, etc. But rather what the word represents. So let me do my best to rephrase my question. I hope I get this right. Please bear with me. Are there any articles to help me understand why you believe Peter was not singled out among the 12? Not meant to strengthen the 12 should they fall? Not meant to feed the "sheep" and "lambs"? Does this make better sense? I hope this does a better job. Was looking for something to read during my lunch break or after work. Thanks! :)
I agree that Peter was singled out to a degree. He was the Senior apostle. He was not the pope. That was something invented by man at a later date. After Peter died and the other apostles died, the church that Christ established also died. It no longer had the authority to continue on. There were no more prophets and therefore no more scripture. That is why the New Testament ends. It isn't because God had nothing more to say, it's because His representatives were no longer alive. Yes, there were good people, called Christians, who tried to keep the church going but it was on their own, without revelation. During the Nicean creed (somewhere around 300 AD) they got together and tried to decide what God was like. There were no more prophets to declare God's word, it was now just man trying to come up with doctrine on their own. I could go on and on and on, but I'll stop. My only point was that Peter was not a Pope, that was a term created much later and that the authority and revelation ended shortly after Peter was killed.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I agree that Peter was singled out to a degree. He was the Senior apostle. He was not the pope. That was something invented by man at a later date. After Peter died and the other apostles died, the church that Christ established also died. It no longer had the authority to continue on. There were no more prophets and therefore no more scripture. That is why the New Testament ends. It isn't because God had nothing more to say, it's because His representatives were no longer alive. Yes, there were good people, called Christians, who tried to keep the church going but it was on their own, without revelation. During the Nicean creed (somewhere around 300 AD) they got together and tried to decide what God was like. There were no more prophets to declare God's word, it was now just man trying to come up with doctrine on their own. I could go on and on and on, but I'll stop. My only point was that Peter was not a Pope, that was a term created much later and that the authority and revelation ended shortly after Peter was killed.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Thanks for that response. I still don't understand how you arrived to that conclusion. That's why I am trying to understand why you believe that. Was hoping to get some articles to read that supports your belief. My whole philosophy is "the proof is in the pudding". Not trying to poke fun at you or anything like that. Was curious and wanted to understand why you believe that. Never the less I appreciate this dialogue. I truly do. :)
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Robbie Coltrane[^] is available
It's well known that if all the cat videos and porn disappeared from the internet there would be only one site left and it would be called whereareallthecatvideosandporn.com
Personally I recommend the continuity candidate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Jack_Hackett#Father_Jack_Hackett[^] Andy B
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Personally I recommend the continuity candidate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Jack_Hackett#Father_Jack_Hackett[^] Andy B
That would be an Ecumenical matter
It's well known that if all the cat videos and porn disappeared from the internet there would be only one site left and it would be called whereareallthecatvideosandporn.com
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I have a distorted world view - I have a Jehovah's Witness family on one side of me, and a Methodist family the other side. Our house is like the buffer zone in Star Trek.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierYou think you've got problems, our house is more like the UN. :) We called the wee'un Adam because it's the only name me & the missus have in common. All the biblical names are different in Arabic Abraham --> Ibrahim, John --> Yohanna (???, come to think of it this is feminine????) etc. The MIL didn't like Adam and tried to get me to choose something a bit more Arab. Don't get me wrong, their names can be really nice, but I didn't want to label the wee'un. So I asserted my rights as head of the household (ha!) and threatened to call him George, which is unpronounceable to her side. LOLZ If & when no 2 comes along, we're hoping for a girl as there are plenty of names to choose from.....
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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If it's anything like the CoE, a claim of not wanting the job in the first place is very common, that way it's all God's will against one's own judgement. Some people may actually believe this, but for most my guess is this is just how the game is played. According to this[^] turning down the job is possible but rare. Understandably given the way you get to dress in the height of Byzantine fashion. I wonder if the outgoing one is part of the conclave to elect the new one?
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Keith Barrow wrote:
I wonder if the outgoing one is part of the conclave to elect the new one?
According to this article on CNN: No. [^] However, Benedict appointed something like 67 of the 188 cardinals in the conclave.
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You think you've got problems, our house is more like the UN. :) We called the wee'un Adam because it's the only name me & the missus have in common. All the biblical names are different in Arabic Abraham --> Ibrahim, John --> Yohanna (???, come to think of it this is feminine????) etc. The MIL didn't like Adam and tried to get me to choose something a bit more Arab. Don't get me wrong, their names can be really nice, but I didn't want to label the wee'un. So I asserted my rights as head of the household (ha!) and threatened to call him George, which is unpronounceable to her side. LOLZ If & when no 2 comes along, we're hoping for a girl as there are plenty of names to choose from.....
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Hannah's nice and biblical.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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Thanks for that response. I still don't understand how you arrived to that conclusion. That's why I am trying to understand why you believe that. Was hoping to get some articles to read that supports your belief. My whole philosophy is "the proof is in the pudding". Not trying to poke fun at you or anything like that. Was curious and wanted to understand why you believe that. Never the less I appreciate this dialogue. I truly do. :)
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I still don't understand how you arrived to that conclusion
2 fold. One, I already explained. The other, I believe that Joseph Smith saw God the Father and Jesus Christ and that through him, Christ restored His church. There's a lot more details to it than that, but that's the summary. Why DO you believe that Peter was a pope, or that the Catholic church goes all the way back to Peter? Why do you think the Bible ended?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.