I'm still angry with Microsoft.
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AddIn Project does not show up in the add reference dialog... :^)
There should be a 'Project' tab at the top of that dialog. Both projects have to be in the same solution for the 'Add Project Reference' function to, well, function.
Bob Dole
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:doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a
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Wanna guess what album was playing into my headphones when I opened that link? :thumbsup:
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Hi OriginalGriff, I can't name the album, but I wonder if the song might have been "I hate myself for loving you," by, who was that singer: one of the Jetsons Family; Joan ... Joanie ? By the way, I just checked on NameCheap.com, and originalgriff.com, and aboriginalgriff.com are both available domains. yours, Bill
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question which divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct. My own feeling is that it is not crazy enough."
Niels Bohr's comment to Wolfgang Pauli, after Pauli presented Heisenberg's and Pauli's nonlinear field theory of elementary particles, at Columbia University, 1958.
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
MehGerbil wrote:
Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards.
With all due respect, if you think Silverlight is (still) a multi-platform winning-hand UI technology, you're gravely mistaken. :) /ravi PS: I'm not suggesting HTML/JavaScript is.
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
Given the pain that Silverlight is causing us I'm glad it's going, that way I don't have to talk people out of using it. But yeah, there's other shit MS is doing that is pissing me off. Forcing standards which only they use for one. They don't have any clear direction on authentication and authorization between their tool sets (OAuth, Claims etc...), the disappearance of the installation project template. Then there's the love which C# is getting from the company as well at the moment. Frankly this just leaves me in a place where I prefer using products which have not originated from MS
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There should be a 'Project' tab at the top of that dialog. Both projects have to be in the same solution for the 'Add Project Reference' function to, well, function.
Bob Dole
The internet is a great way to get on the net.
:doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a
Yeah... it should be there... but... the project doesn't show up there ... I suppose that's because the AddIn Project is declared as Class Library Project and hasn't an executable.
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
Couldn't agree more. The issue I have with this decision from Microsoft isn't that Silverlight was the best thing that've happened since sliced bread, but rather that I find it disturbing that there are no good alternatives (as of today). Sure you can go with HTML5 and heaps of Javascript and AJAX calls. But WTF, not only would that take MUCH longer to get the way I want it, it would also force our employees to use a specific Web browser, just to have things work the way we intend them to since HTML5 support is varying, to say the least. Our main application is based on a Windows client that they normally run, but with a "light version" using Silverlight for when they're our of office or otherwise unable to use the normal client. For this purpose I still haven't found a nice and yet somewhat easy and efficient way to do this, except for... Silverlight. Flash won't cut it. Java applets (yeah right) and ActiveX components are just dead and buried. So, what to do? Thank you MS.. For yet another kick in the nuts, I'll be the first to leave for LAMP or similar when it's mature enough to completely wipe our present MS based platforms from the face of the earth.
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Hi OriginalGriff, I can't name the album, but I wonder if the song might have been "I hate myself for loving you," by, who was that singer: one of the Jetsons Family; Joan ... Joanie ? By the way, I just checked on NameCheap.com, and originalgriff.com, and aboriginalgriff.com are both available domains. yours, Bill
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question which divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct. My own feeling is that it is not crazy enough."
Niels Bohr's comment to Wolfgang Pauli, after Pauli presented Heisenberg's and Pauli's nonlinear field theory of elementary particles, at Columbia University, 1958.
I think it was Joan Jett[^] who sang "I hate myself for loving you" (and the "American Chopper" theme tune "Bad reputation"), but no, it was Sharon Den Adel using her wonderful voice on "Why not me". And she was singing "Fire and Ice" when I clicked the link.
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
Wow! Do you even code for the web? Any web application is accessible from a connected device, even on a Mac (Mind blown!) I could boilerplate something that replicated your grids functionality in a matter of hours and be assured that it would not only work both cross-browser but cross-device from mobile to tablet to desktop. "[A] dozen different languages and technologies"... Um no... Three. Three languages; HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. None of which are that difficult and there are plenty of wonderful things like jQuery and Normalise.css to help you smooth out any compatibility issues. If this is too much for you then I suggest you find yourself an alternative career. I hate to break it to you but Silverlight is not the language of the web. It never was and never will be. If it was you might have an argument but it's not. The three aforementioned languages are and they are never going away. Oh and vision, How about the new pointer events specification? https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEvents.html[^] that do? I suggest you pick up your toys, put on your grown up trousers and accept that you are going to have to join the rest of the world. Or you can keep stacking cans in your bunker, up to you.
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Wow! Do you even code for the web? Any web application is accessible from a connected device, even on a Mac (Mind blown!) I could boilerplate something that replicated your grids functionality in a matter of hours and be assured that it would not only work both cross-browser but cross-device from mobile to tablet to desktop. "[A] dozen different languages and technologies"... Um no... Three. Three languages; HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. None of which are that difficult and there are plenty of wonderful things like jQuery and Normalise.css to help you smooth out any compatibility issues. If this is too much for you then I suggest you find yourself an alternative career. I hate to break it to you but Silverlight is not the language of the web. It never was and never will be. If it was you might have an argument but it's not. The three aforementioned languages are and they are never going away. Oh and vision, How about the new pointer events specification? https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEvents.html[^] that do? I suggest you pick up your toys, put on your grown up trousers and accept that you are going to have to join the rest of the world. Or you can keep stacking cans in your bunker, up to you.
JimBob SquarePants ******************************************************************* "He took everything personally, including our royalties!" David St.Hubbins, Spinal Tap about Ian Faith, their ex-manager *******************************************************************
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Well... I just found out that Visual Studio 2012 has no Setup Project template integrated...:doh: Your possibilities are: Install a commercial product or search for any other possibility to install something... Why the f*** did they drop the visual studio installer project?? for any simple project I made it provided everything I needed and was easy to use...
We publish all our desktop apps using ClickOnce, which is built into Visual Studio. It is so much easier than the installer. Easier for the developer to set up and publish new versions of the app. Easier for the user because we configure it so that apps always check for updates when the app starts and automatically applies the update if one is available. We use this for desktop apps distributed to people who work at our office and for an app we developed that is run by external people across the country.
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
From what I understand MS is abandoning Silverlight because they no longer need to compete with Adobe Flash as an addon for the majority of hand held devices that are currently in use because they don't allow addons. However the MS developer community and many large companies have embraced Silverlight as the UI of choice. Silverlight is widely used and is a fantastic product. I think MS is making a knee-jerk reaction and needs to realize that there is no reason to give up on Silverlight.
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
MehGerbil wrote:
PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards.
Interesting that you should put it that way. I couldn't have said it better. Fairly recently (after playing with Microsoft's latest "stuff") I realized that it simply isn't a direction that I want to go. I'm hunkering down with my system and tools that I've paid for exactly as they are and plan to stick with them for the long haul. I develop to the desktop and the web. Unless something major changes (I mean a complete platform re-design of the web or something) these tools will last for a long, long time. I'm done chasing the upgrade curve. It's going to be a LONG time before a Winforms or Web application won't run on just about any machine I care to deliver it to. Since making that decision I have been highly productive and creative again instead of wasting time evaluating, installing and uninstalling all these new tools. I'm not against "progress" but some days I view the changes taking place not as progress but mainly a re-design of everything so they can just sell more of 'em. -CB
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Well... I just found out that Visual Studio 2012 has no Setup Project template integrated...:doh: Your possibilities are: Install a commercial product or search for any other possibility to install something... Why the f*** did they drop the visual studio installer project?? for any simple project I made it provided everything I needed and was easy to use...
I worked as an install developer for over four years for a large shop--yes,I actually spent 8+ hrs/day doing nothing but install dev. Because I now work for a small company w/many small projects, I made heavy use of the VS Setup template because it was quick and easy. When I ran into the sun-setting of Setup templates, I did a systematic search for a 3rd-party installer. While I did find several products that would have worked, the best value for me was Advanced Installer by Caphyon. The Pro version is just $299, it's easy to use, it works, and the vendor publishes frequent updates with fixes and enhancements. They also have bigger dollar versions in case I ever need it, and a free version. I was able to do things like consolidate 32- and 64-bit installs into a single installer, easily install two windows services (I wrote in VB.NET) in a single installer, specify pre- and post-build actions just like in VS build, and launch my install builds from the cmd line using VS post-build actions. It's not the Holy Grail, but worth every penny. And no, I don't work for Caphyon. Hope this helps.
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MehGerbil wrote:
PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards.
Interesting that you should put it that way. I couldn't have said it better. Fairly recently (after playing with Microsoft's latest "stuff") I realized that it simply isn't a direction that I want to go. I'm hunkering down with my system and tools that I've paid for exactly as they are and plan to stick with them for the long haul. I develop to the desktop and the web. Unless something major changes (I mean a complete platform re-design of the web or something) these tools will last for a long, long time. I'm done chasing the upgrade curve. It's going to be a LONG time before a Winforms or Web application won't run on just about any machine I care to deliver it to. Since making that decision I have been highly productive and creative again instead of wasting time evaluating, installing and uninstalling all these new tools. I'm not against "progress" but some days I view the changes taking place not as progress but mainly a re-design of everything so they can just sell more of 'em. -CB
I think what I find astonishing about the whole thing is that Apple is making a huge killing with an incredibly closed environment. The 'write once, run everywhere' mantra sounds good on the surface but I just don't see where end users care about that sort of thing. Most people just want what they have to work and that's about it. Despite the conventional wisdom, the fact that Apple stuff doesn't work everywhere has resulted in... *drum roll please* ... more sales for Apple. (Setting aside the fact that write once, run everywhere has always been a bit of a lie. No serious business application can be pared down from a 22" monitor to a 4" smart phone without quite a bit of extra work) If I were Microsoft I'd make sure that I had a standards compliant HTML5 development environment and I'd slavishly support it on every form factor. No doubt that is required. In fact, I'd produce a lite version of Visual Studio that was little more than a HTML5/CSS text editor and give it away for free. The difference is that I'd still develop Silverlight and make sure that it is better than HTML 5 in every way that that it runs better on Win Phone, Win Tablets, and Win PCs. While the W3C was still busy trying to find their own asses with their hands tied behind their backs I'd be rolling out fantastic stuff in Silverlight. Microsoft has the money and power to do both of these things very well.
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I have only one copy of Visual Studio left on my computers. Once the things I have to finish up are done, this copy will also be going to East Hyperspace. They wanted to make certain that we all follow their great ideas, instead they assured that I forget about them as quickly as possible. Even if they realize what went wrong at some point, I still don't trust them anymore. They will do it all over again at the next opportunity. Just stop giving your money to Mickeysoft and look for someone who does not treat you like a fool.
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Sounds like you didn't have to go through the pain that was Visual Basic. The file formats changed between 1.0 and 2.0, eventually you couldn't read 1.0 source files with later versions. And then there were the wonderful 3rd party components that came with 3.0 that were then replaced with incompatible versions from Microsoft. You had to jump through hoops to get them plugged back in. Worst of all, you couldn't have different versions of VB installed on the same box. At least Visual Studio lets other version coexist. The '90s felt like a treadmill where you had to work like crazy just to stay in the same place.
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Yeah... it should be there... but... the project doesn't show up there ... I suppose that's because the AddIn Project is declared as Class Library Project and hasn't an executable.
It should still work. Not sure why it doesn't.
Bob Dole
The internet is a great way to get on the net.
:doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a
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Yeah... it should be there... but... the project doesn't show up there ... I suppose that's because the AddIn Project is declared as Class Library Project and hasn't an executable.
Strangely, it works for me. What versions of VS and WiX are you using? Do you have the latest updates?
Bob Dole
The internet is a great way to get on the net.
:doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a
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I think what I find astonishing about the whole thing is that Apple is making a huge killing with an incredibly closed environment. The 'write once, run everywhere' mantra sounds good on the surface but I just don't see where end users care about that sort of thing. Most people just want what they have to work and that's about it. Despite the conventional wisdom, the fact that Apple stuff doesn't work everywhere has resulted in... *drum roll please* ... more sales for Apple. (Setting aside the fact that write once, run everywhere has always been a bit of a lie. No serious business application can be pared down from a 22" monitor to a 4" smart phone without quite a bit of extra work) If I were Microsoft I'd make sure that I had a standards compliant HTML5 development environment and I'd slavishly support it on every form factor. No doubt that is required. In fact, I'd produce a lite version of Visual Studio that was little more than a HTML5/CSS text editor and give it away for free. The difference is that I'd still develop Silverlight and make sure that it is better than HTML 5 in every way that that it runs better on Win Phone, Win Tablets, and Win PCs. While the W3C was still busy trying to find their own asses with their hands tied behind their backs I'd be rolling out fantastic stuff in Silverlight. Microsoft has the money and power to do both of these things very well.
You know, the thing (to me) that seems to hamstring us developers is that we get convinced by the marketing forces that be that we have to be "everything to everybody". The idea of "write once run anywhere" sounds good but in actual practice it's just not likely to happen. Where in the rule book (if there is one) does it say that by being a developer you have to be able to produce something that will run on absolutely everything, everywhere, huh? For the longest time I was caught up in the idea only relatively recently discarding it as impractical. You might say that I've finally "smelled the coffee" on this one. (It only took me 36 years in the industry to really "get it"). :rolleyes:
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
I used to think like that, what a letdown was such a decision, since then I'm full time focused on WP and W8 so I could reuse skills, and fortunately I got a job where I can just do that. Now I have a different perspective because I believe the very reasons Microsoft droped Silverlight were: 1. They were not winning against HTML as web platform standard 2. For XAML/C# to win as a UI platform everywhere they have to aim for native apps first, starting from their own flagship product: Windows 3. The HTML strategy in W8 is to attract web developers and eventually they will end up developing more native apps than web apps. I think at the end of the day HTML can't beat native in any platform, think Phonegap for example, so I think Microsoft is not joining the web standards completely, they are supporting native apps and while doing so they are empowering their own platform and others so web use in mobile is coming to an end subtly. I think that's more clever than being stubborn about Silverlight. And by the way, I believe they are supporting Xamarin heavily because of this, supporting native we all win :cool: The people saying HTML is the future, well, they are already living in the past in my opinion :)
