The problem of being a programmer
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c2423 wrote:
If you coded it before understanding the spec you'd be an idiot.
If were to expect a decent spec before you are expected to start coding, you'd be an idiot.
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True, but if the spec is incomplete you really shouldn't be making stuff up and hoping for the best. The case above was clearly wrong because he decided to make stuff up when he didn't understand the aim of the spec. However you look at it, formally written spec or not, he needed to clarify first before coding up something useless. Extrapolating to a longer piece of code, you couldn't employ someone like that because they'd go off and code something useless and you'd only find out weeks later.
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True, but if the spec is incomplete you really shouldn't be making stuff up and hoping for the best. The case above was clearly wrong because he decided to make stuff up when he didn't understand the aim of the spec. However you look at it, formally written spec or not, he needed to clarify first before coding up something useless. Extrapolating to a longer piece of code, you couldn't employ someone like that because they'd go off and code something useless and you'd only find out weeks later.
c2423 wrote:
True, but if the spec is incomplete you really shouldn't be making stuff up and hoping for the best.
False dichotomy: Just "making stuff up" isn't the only other option.
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“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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c2423 wrote:
True, but if the spec is incomplete you really shouldn't be making stuff up and hoping for the best.
False dichotomy: Just "making stuff up" isn't the only other option.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
- Exactly - the above comments implied that he made stuff up to fill the gaps, which wasn't the only option. 1) I am using the term spec loosely, it could just as easily be user story or conversation or vision statement. The conversation would have been better as: "Go to the shop and buy some jam, if they have eggs, buy six." "What are you trying to make?" "I'm baking a jam layered sponge cake" "A jam layered sponge cake would need jam, eggs and flour. Do you also need me to bring some flour?" "Why yes, that would be good, I'd not thought of that." A 1 minute conversation saved the misunderstanding about the eggs, and anticipated a future requirement which would have meant twice as much work in future if I'd not thought things through now. We still don't have a formal spec, but an understanding of the business case, "I'm making a cake" helped to get the best outcome for all parties.
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Please meet Nagy, Hungarian UKIP sympatico. Unemployed for ages (about 1 year when I remember right). Eats every bacon and drinks every Gin in a 500 miles radius. And there was something with Paris, but I actually forgot what it was. Just don't mention her when he or his missus is around. Furthermore he really really really LOVES wand erection. And Justine Beaver.
cheers Marco Bertschi
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Marco Bertschi wrote:
Just don't mention her when he or his missus is around.
More gossip on that! ;)
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I'm pretty sure this was posted in the last every couple of weeks.
FTFY
Chris C-B wrote:
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I'm pretty sure this was posted in the last every couple of weeks.
Now we are close to the truth.
cheers Marco Bertschi
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You know when Nagy said you'd be asked to pay for part of his bill? The last person who had to do this founded a new branch of mathematics to cope ...
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“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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True, but if the spec is incomplete you really shouldn't be making stuff up and hoping for the best. The case above was clearly wrong because he decided to make stuff up when he didn't understand the aim of the spec. However you look at it, formally written spec or not, he needed to clarify first before coding up something useless. Extrapolating to a longer piece of code, you couldn't employ someone like that because they'd go off and code something useless and you'd only find out weeks later.
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I'm pretty sure this was posted in the last couple of weeks.
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I'm pretty sure this was posted in the last couple of weeks.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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True, but if the spec is incomplete you really shouldn't be making stuff up and hoping for the best. The case above was clearly wrong because he decided to make stuff up when he didn't understand the aim of the spec. However you look at it, formally written spec or not, he needed to clarify first before coding up something useless. Extrapolating to a longer piece of code, you couldn't employ someone like that because they'd go off and code something useless and you'd only find out weeks later.
You do know that it doesn't matter, simply because it was an elephanting joke right?
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Mum told me Go to the market and get me a bottle of jam. If they have eggs get six I came back with six bottles of jam and she was like "WTF? Why did you buy six bottles of jam" My responds "They have eggs!"
Did Leslie Nielsen tell you that?
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Grandpa: When i was your age my momma would send me down to the store with $1 and I would come back with 5 bags of potatoes 2 loaves of bread, 3 bottles of milk a box of tea and 6 eggs. But you cant do that these days. Too many elephanting security cameras. :sigh:
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Mum told me Go to the market and get me a bottle of jam. If they have eggs get six I came back with six bottles of jam and she was like "WTF? Why did you buy six bottles of jam" My responds "They have eggs!"
So you mean given an *ambiguous* choice between jam & eggs, programmers will fail to ask the question at the opportune time and when the crunch time comes they will choose jam? Is there substantiating evidence for this hypothesis? ;P I've never seen a bottle of jam.. this programmer *is* good!
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