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  • L Lost User

    Hey do you want to lend me $2000? If so just give us half of it now, that will mean I owe you $1000 and you owe me $1000 and that will mean we are even.

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    Abbott and Costello said it better.

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    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

      Quote:

      a(a-a)=(a+a)(a-a)

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      :thumbsdown: I don't think, this is a simple factorization

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        Let read this : 1=1 a=a a²=a² a²-a²=a²-a² a(a-a)=(a+a)(a-a) a=a+a a(1)=a(1+1) 1=1+1 1=2 Where is the error ?

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        The error begins from first assumptions -- saying 1=1 at the beginning is meaningless; everthing following can provide no additional insight. a²-a² and a-a are always zero, but this is due to the nonsense above that -- in particular, while a²-a²=a²-a² may be true, it doesn't follow from a²=a². The idiot of a Discrete Math teacher I had in college tried showing this to the class once. :sigh:

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        • L Lost User

          That's what she said.

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Nah, she didn't day "damn", she said "f......". :-D

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          • T tayoufabrice

            :thumbsdown: I don't think, this is a simple factorization

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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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            That you do not think so it will not change the fact that, when you move from this line to the next, you actually divide by zero - (a-a)!!! More! A solution of an equation must be traversal to both direction - yours is not! a=a a²=a² This is a one-way step and is forbidden...

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              The error begins from first assumptions -- saying 1=1 at the beginning is meaningless; everthing following can provide no additional insight. a²-a² and a-a are always zero, but this is due to the nonsense above that -- in particular, while a²-a²=a²-a² may be true, it doesn't follow from a²=a². The idiot of a Discrete Math teacher I had in college tried showing this to the class once. :sigh:

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              :laugh: As I know mathematics doesn't approve 0=0 so, the error is a²-a²=a²-a² (meaning 0=0) exactly it is a teacher who showed it to us.

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                That you do not think so it will not change the fact that, when you move from this line to the next, you actually divide by zero - (a-a)!!! More! A solution of an equation must be traversal to both direction - yours is not! a=a a²=a² This is a one-way step and is forbidden...

                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                tayoufabrice
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                ok !! :thumbsup: My best answer[^]

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                • T tayoufabrice

                  :laugh: As I know mathematics doesn't approve 0=0 so, the error is a²-a²=a²-a² (meaning 0=0) exactly it is a teacher who showed it to us.

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                  Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                  It has nothing to do with 0 equal to 0 or not (which is a mathematical game only), but the fact that division by zero is not permitted (or more precisely the outcome is undefined)...

                  Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                    It has nothing to do with 0 equal to 0 or not (which is a mathematical game only), but the fact that division by zero is not permitted (or more precisely the outcome is undefined)...

                    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    Yes, but the damage is done before that.

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                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      It has nothing to do with 0 equal to 0 or not (which is a mathematical game only), but the fact that division by zero is not permitted (or more precisely the outcome is undefined)...

                      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                      1=1 a=a <=> a/a=1 a²=a² ?? a=b <=> a/b=1 a²=b² ?? then a=b a-c = b-c ? a-a = a-a (assuming a=b and a=c) ?? Where is the division by zero ? I've added c at both sides of =

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                      • T tayoufabrice

                        Let read this : 1=1 a=a a²=a² a²-a²=a²-a² a(a-a)=(a+a)(a-a) a=a+a a(1)=a(1+1) 1=1+1 1=2 Where is the error ?

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                        tayoufabrice wrote:

                        Where is the error ?

                        In between your ears: obviously the answer is 42.

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                        • T tayoufabrice

                          Let read this : 1=1 a=a a²=a² a²-a²=a²-a² a(a-a)=(a+a)(a-a) a=a+a a(1)=a(1+1) 1=1+1 1=2 Where is the error ?

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                          phil o
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                          a - a = 0

                          You cannot get anything useful from a multiplication once it has involved a zero term.

                          5 x 0 = 12012 x 0

                          does not mean that

                          5 = 12012

                          There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

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                          • T tayoufabrice

                            1=1 a=a <=> a/a=1 a²=a² ?? a=b <=> a/b=1 a²=b² ?? then a=b a-c = b-c ? a-a = a-a (assuming a=b and a=c) ?? Where is the division by zero ? I've added c at both sides of =

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                            At the final step, you effectively have a=0, which means that a/a=1 on the second line is division by zero. But why were b and c introduced? It's just nonsense. Additionally, a²=b² certainly does not mean a=b.

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                            • T tayoufabrice

                              Let read this : 1=1 a=a a²=a² a²-a²=a²-a² a(a-a)=(a+a)(a-a) a=a+a a(1)=a(1+1) 1=1+1 1=2 Where is the error ?

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                              The error is simultaneously in line 5, your misunderstanding of basic maths, and your posting of this question.

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                              • T tayoufabrice

                                Let read this : 1=1 a=a a²=a² a²-a²=a²-a² a(a-a)=(a+a)(a-a) a=a+a a(1)=a(1+1) 1=1+1 1=2 Where is the error ?

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                                Mike Hankey
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                                The error is I haven't had coffee yet.

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                                • P PIEBALDconsult

                                  At the final step, you effectively have a=0, which means that a/a=1 on the second line is division by zero. But why were b and c introduced? It's just nonsense. Additionally, a²=b² certainly does not mean a=b.

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                                  a=0 never means a/a=0 (a can never be 0). a=a <=> a/a=a/a <=> 1=1 I could fix the post as : Given a C ]--;0[ U ]0;++[ (meaning 0 excluded)

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                                  • P phil o

                                    a - a = 0

                                    You cannot get anything useful from a multiplication once it has involved a zero term.

                                    5 x 0 = 12012 x 0

                                    does not mean that

                                    5 = 12012

                                    There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

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                                    tayoufabrice
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                                    very very TRUE:thumbsup::thumbsup:

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                                    • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                      tayoufabrice wrote:

                                      Where is the error ?

                                      In between your ears: obviously the answer is 42.

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                                      tayoufabrice
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                                      the answer is 42 :laugh: :laugh:

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                                      • T tayoufabrice

                                        a=0 never means a/a=0 (a can never be 0). a=a <=> a/a=a/a <=> 1=1 I could fix the post as : Given a C ]--;0[ U ]0;++[ (meaning 0 excluded)

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                                        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                                        Which means that you have an equation system and not a single equation...It's a different thing to solve...

                                        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                                          Yes, but the damage is done before that.

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                                          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                                          You mean, when OP went to learn math?

                                          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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