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    So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

    Regards, Sander

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

      Regards, Sander

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      R Giskard Reventlov
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      FTFY :-)

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        Is there a gender issue as well? As in "she really fills out that dress" or "he quickly filled in the shallow grave" ?

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          FTFY :-)

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          He's busy with a number of cunning stunts.

          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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            Yvan Rodrigues
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            **Fill in** and **fill out** are both correct, but are a bit informal. In a technical manual I would use something like: * Please **complete** this questionnaire. * Please **answer** this questionnaire. * Please **respond to** this questionnaire. * Can you **explain** the details to me? * Can you **update** me on the details? etc.

            Yvan Rodrigues, C.Tech. Red Cell Innovation Inc.

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              Is there a gender issue as well? As in "she really fills out that dress" or "he quickly filled in the shallow grave" ?

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              And why not "she quickly filled in the shallow grave"? Or even, "he really fills out that dress"? Or have you never seen Sean on a Saturday night? ;)


              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                He's busy with a number of cunning stunts.

                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                Yvan Rodrigues
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                I dare you to quickly repeat that 10 times.

                Yvan Rodrigues, C.Tech. Red Cell Innovation Inc.

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                  I dare you to quickly repeat that 10 times.

                  Yvan Rodrigues, C.Tech. Red Cell Innovation Inc.

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                  cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts There - happy? :laugh:

                  Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                    And why not "she quickly filled in the shallow grave"? Or even, "he really fills out that dress"? Or have you never seen Sean on a Saturday night? ;)


                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                    Richard Deeming wrote:

                    Or have you never seen Sean on a Saturday night Casual Friday?

                    FTFY!

                    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                    • Y Yvan Rodrigues

                      **Fill in** and **fill out** are both correct, but are a bit informal. In a technical manual I would use something like: * Please **complete** this questionnaire. * Please **answer** this questionnaire. * Please **respond to** this questionnaire. * Can you **explain** the details to me? * Can you **update** me on the details? etc.

                      Yvan Rodrigues, C.Tech. Red Cell Innovation Inc.

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                      newton saber
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                      I agree. The winner is...

                      Yvan Rodrigues wrote:

                      Please complete this questionnaire.

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        Is there a gender issue as well? As in "she really fills out that dress" or "he quickly filled in the shallow grave" ?

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                        PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                        As in "she really fills out that dress" or "he quickly filled in the shallow grave" ?

                        The relationship between the two occurs when replying to the question; "Does this xxx make my butt look big?"

                        New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site. I know the voices in my head are not real but damn they come up with some good ideas!

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                          I agree. The winner is...

                          Yvan Rodrigues wrote:

                          Please complete this questionnaire.

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          It's already complete.

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                            PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                            As in "she really fills out that dress" or "he quickly filled in the shallow grave" ?

                            The relationship between the two occurs when replying to the question; "Does this xxx make my butt look big?"

                            New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site. I know the voices in my head are not real but damn they come up with some good ideas!

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                            Richard Deeming
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                            That's a different interpretation of "filling in". To me, it suggests the person filling it in with a shovel, not the person "filling it in" with their own mangled corpse! :-\


                            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts There - happy? :laugh:

                              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                              Richard Deeming
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                              Now try "ox boll". ;P


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                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                Richard Deeming wrote:

                                Or have you never seen Sean on a Saturday night Casual Friday?

                                FTFY!

                                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                Nagy Vilmos
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                                A dress on Casual Friday? Are you mad? Sean would never pass on a chance for getting out the peek-a-doo onesie!

                                veni bibi saltavi

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                                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                  So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

                                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                  Regards, Sander

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                                  Marc Clifton
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                                  http://www.in-n-out.com/ It was a popular thing, when they sold bumper stickers, to remove the "B" and the "R". ;) Marc

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    Roger Wright
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                                    Though I've been called a cunning linguist by some, the only answer I can think of at this time is, "complete."

                                    Will Rogers never met me.

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                                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                      So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

                                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                      Regards, Sander

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                                      What is the difference between filling out and filling in a questionnaire? It is "ingevuld", "filled in".

                                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                                      I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites...

                                      As you already said yourself, 'fill out on details' is a no go - spoken language is not coherently logical.

                                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                                      In or out?

                                      Throw 'filled out' into GTrans and have your answer.

                                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                        **Fill in** and **fill out** are both correct, but are a bit informal. In a technical manual I would use something like: * Please **complete** this questionnaire. * Please **answer** this questionnaire. * Please **respond to** this questionnaire. * Can you **explain** the details to me? * Can you **update** me on the details? etc.

                                        Yvan Rodrigues, C.Tech. Red Cell Innovation Inc.

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                                        Yvan Rodrigues wrote:

                                        Please answer this questionnaire.

                                        It did not ask me a question, it is a list of questions.

                                        Yvan Rodrigues wrote:

                                        Please respond to this questionnaire.

                                        My old English teach would ask what kind of response I'd be expecting from the piece of paper :) I could respond to your request to fill out the form. You can fill out the form by filling in your answer to each question.

                                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                          So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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                                          "Fill in" really means "put down so there's nothing wanting". So there's a great amount of leeway left to chance in the directive. This is not a lecture but you shouldn't let your mind wander in this way. Concentrate.

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