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  • Y Yvan Rodrigues

    **Fill in** and **fill out** are both correct, but are a bit informal. In a technical manual I would use something like: * Please **complete** this questionnaire. * Please **answer** this questionnaire. * Please **respond to** this questionnaire. * Can you **explain** the details to me? * Can you **update** me on the details? etc.

    Yvan Rodrigues, C.Tech. Red Cell Innovation Inc.

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    newton saber
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    I agree. The winner is...

    Yvan Rodrigues wrote:

    Please complete this questionnaire.

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      I agree. The winner is...

      Yvan Rodrigues wrote:

      Please complete this questionnaire.

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      It's already complete.

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      • P PIEBALDconsult

        Is there a gender issue as well? As in "she really fills out that dress" or "he quickly filled in the shallow grave" ?

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        Mike Hankey
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        PIEBALDconsult wrote:

        As in "she really fills out that dress" or "he quickly filled in the shallow grave" ?

        The relationship between the two occurs when replying to the question; "Does this xxx make my butt look big?"

        New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site. I know the voices in my head are not real but damn they come up with some good ideas!

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        • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

          PIEBALDconsult wrote:

          As in "she really fills out that dress" or "he quickly filled in the shallow grave" ?

          The relationship between the two occurs when replying to the question; "Does this xxx make my butt look big?"

          New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site. I know the voices in my head are not real but damn they come up with some good ideas!

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          Richard Deeming
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          That's a different interpretation of "filling in". To me, it suggests the person filling it in with a shovel, not the person "filling it in" with their own mangled corpse! :-\


          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts cunning stunts There - happy? :laugh:

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            Now try "ox boll". ;P


            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Richard Deeming wrote:

              Or have you never seen Sean on a Saturday night Casual Friday?

              FTFY!

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              Nagy Vilmos
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              A dress on Casual Friday? Are you mad? Sean would never pass on a chance for getting out the peek-a-doo onesie!

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                Marc Clifton
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                http://www.in-n-out.com/ It was a popular thing, when they sold bumper stickers, to remove the "B" and the "R". ;) Marc

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  Though I've been called a cunning linguist by some, the only answer I can think of at this time is, "complete."

                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                    What is the difference between filling out and filling in a questionnaire? It is "ingevuld", "filled in".

                    Sander Rossel wrote:

                    I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites...

                    As you already said yourself, 'fill out on details' is a no go - spoken language is not coherently logical.

                    Sander Rossel wrote:

                    In or out?

                    Throw 'filled out' into GTrans and have your answer.

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                    • Y Yvan Rodrigues

                      **Fill in** and **fill out** are both correct, but are a bit informal. In a technical manual I would use something like: * Please **complete** this questionnaire. * Please **answer** this questionnaire. * Please **respond to** this questionnaire. * Can you **explain** the details to me? * Can you **update** me on the details? etc.

                      Yvan Rodrigues, C.Tech. Red Cell Innovation Inc.

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                      Yvan Rodrigues wrote:

                      Please answer this questionnaire.

                      It did not ask me a question, it is a list of questions.

                      Yvan Rodrigues wrote:

                      Please respond to this questionnaire.

                      My old English teach would ask what kind of response I'd be expecting from the piece of paper :) I could respond to your request to fill out the form. You can fill out the form by filling in your answer to each question.

                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                        So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                        Regards, Sander

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                        "Fill in" really means "put down so there's nothing wanting". So there's a great amount of leeway left to chance in the directive. This is not a lecture but you shouldn't let your mind wander in this way. Concentrate.

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                        • Y Yvan Rodrigues

                          **Fill in** and **fill out** are both correct, but are a bit informal. In a technical manual I would use something like: * Please **complete** this questionnaire. * Please **answer** this questionnaire. * Please **respond to** this questionnaire. * Can you **explain** the details to me? * Can you **update** me on the details? etc.

                          Yvan Rodrigues, C.Tech. Red Cell Innovation Inc.

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                          Yvan Rodrigues wrote:

                          Please complete this questionnaire.

                          I've already completed it. All I need is for the user to fill it in/out :)

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                            http://www.in-n-out.com/ It was a popular thing, when they sold bumper stickers, to remove the "B" and the "R". ;) Marc

                            Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                            Marc Clifton wrote:

                            to remove the "B" and the "R"

                            In-N-Out uge :confused:

                            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                            Regards, Sander

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                            • R Roger Wright

                              Though I've been called a cunning linguist by some, the only answer I can think of at this time is, "complete."

                              Will Rogers never met me.

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                              Sander Rossel
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                              I won't be complete until I know the difference between fill in and fill out and why two opposites are used for the same thing :D

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                                What is the difference between filling out and filling in a questionnaire? It is "ingevuld", "filled in".

                                Sander Rossel wrote:

                                I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites...

                                As you already said yourself, 'fill out on details' is a no go - spoken language is not coherently logical.

                                Sander Rossel wrote:

                                In or out?

                                Throw 'filled out' into GTrans and have your answer.

                                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                Sander Rossel
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                                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                Throw 'filled out' into GTrans and have your answer.

                                Now do the same with "filled in" :laugh:

                                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                • R RedDk

                                  "Fill in" really means "put down so there's nothing wanting". So there's a great amount of leeway left to chance in the directive. This is not a lecture but you shouldn't let your mind wander in this way. Concentrate.

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                                  Sander Rossel
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                                  RedDk wrote:

                                  This is not a lecture but you shouldn't let your mind wander in this way. Concentrate.

                                  I was concentrating on my writing. So much even that I started to wonder what would be better, in or out? And then I set off to find out about it. Or did I find it in? Now that's dedicated writing! :laugh:

                                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                  Regards, Sander

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    Yvan Rodrigues wrote:

                                    Please complete this questionnaire.

                                    I've already completed it. All I need is for the user to fill it in/out :)

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    Yvan Rodrigues
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                                    LOL. As someone who writes **a lot**, English is definitely a quirky language.

                                    Yvan Rodrigues, C.Tech. Red Cell Innovation Inc.

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                                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                                      to remove the "B" and the "R"

                                      In-N-Out uge :confused:

                                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                      Regards, Sander

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                                      Marc Clifton
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                                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                                      In-N-Out uge

                                      See? This is what happens when the customer does not provide sufficiently detailed specs. Marc

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                                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                        Throw 'filled out' into GTrans and have your answer.

                                        Now do the same with "filled in" :laugh:

                                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                        Regards, Sander

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                                        Lost User
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                                        :-\ Still, as a Dutch person I prefer to "fill in the gaps on a form", opposed to "filling it out".

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                                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                          So whenever I'm writing I often wonder about all kinds of small and silly language details. I just wondered what the (more?) correct translation of the Dutch word 'ingevuld' is. My first thought was 'fill out' (as in "can you fill out this questionnaire?"). Then I though 'fill in' (as in "can you fill in this questionnaire?"). Google Translate just gives me 'fill' when I give it 'invullen'. I think both are correct even though 'in' and 'out' are each others opposites... Of course 'fill in' can also be used in the following sentence: "Can you fill me in on the details?", where 'fill out' would be a no-go: "Can you fill me out on the details?". Any ideas on what I should use? In or out?

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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                                          Lost User
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                                          This is a question of preference by location. Yanks tend to use Fill Out Poms tend to use Fill In I would suggest that "Fill In" is strictly more correct as "fill out" is just nonsense. Best definition I cold find of Fill Out was "to extend or enlarge to the desired limit; to make complete" (Websters) Which explains its use as in "Sean fills out the dress" and you can see how it could be used to suggest extending the contents of a form to complete it. Fill In on the other hand, is "to enrich with detail" Which is why you can "fill someone in" on the results of the enquiry.

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