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  • D Dominic Burford

    x = y. Then x2 = xy. Subtract the same thing from both sides: x2 - y2 = xy - y2. Dividing by (x-y), obtain x + y = y. Since x = y, we see that 2 y = y. Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero. Subtracting 1 from both sides, 1 = 0. :wtf:

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    http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x2%3Dxy[^] you can use this site to experiment with your theories?

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    • D Dominic Burford

      x = y. Then x2 = xy. Subtract the same thing from both sides: x2 - y2 = xy - y2. Dividing by (x-y), obtain x + y = y. Since x = y, we see that 2 y = y. Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero. Subtracting 1 from both sides, 1 = 0. :wtf:

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      A high school teacher showed this to me some 10+ years back (feeling old now). All I can say is no.

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        A high school teacher showed this to me some 10+ years back (feeling old now). All I can say is no.

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        The only thing i can agree with is that 1 != 3/3 (at least not exactly) because 1/3 is 0,333... and multiplied with 3 it is just 0,99999.... which is technically 1 but not 100%

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        • D Dominic Burford

          x = y. Then x2 = xy. Subtract the same thing from both sides: x2 - y2 = xy - y2. Dividing by (x-y), obtain x + y = y. Since x = y, we see that 2 y = y. Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero. Subtracting 1 from both sides, 1 = 0. :wtf:

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          Quote:

          Dividing by (x-y), obtain...

          ...the silent reproach of a million tear-stained eyes. :((

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            The only thing i can agree with is that 1 != 3/3 (at least not exactly) because 1/3 is 0,333... and multiplied with 3 it is just 0,99999.... which is technically 1 but not 100%

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            Quote:

            0,99999.... which is technically 1 but not 100%

            Uh?

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              0,99999.... which is technically 1 but not 100%

              Uh?

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              Whats the matter ?

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              • D Dominic Burford

                x = y. Then x2 = xy. Subtract the same thing from both sides: x2 - y2 = xy - y2. Dividing by (x-y), obtain x + y = y. Since x = y, we see that 2 y = y. Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero. Subtracting 1 from both sides, 1 = 0. :wtf:

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                Dominic Burford wrote:

                since we started with y nonzero.

                oh, the irony.

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                  The only thing i can agree with is that 1 != 3/3 (at least not exactly) because 1/3 is 0,333... and multiplied with 3 it is just 0,99999.... which is technically 1 but not 100%

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                  if the numerator and denominator are equal then the value must be 1. Then the second part is almost right, but you missed a very important point, a recurring value is only an *approximation* rather than the absolute. 1/3 is absolute, but the decimal 0.3. is only an approximation. Proof, without bad maths of the 9's reccuring - 0.9. == 1 Multiply by 10: 9.9. = 10 Subtract the original: 9.9. - 0.9. = 9 9 = 9 QED. This is accepted as proper maths, the 1=0 using division by zero is, however, not.

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                  • N Nagy Vilmos

                    if the numerator and denominator are equal then the value must be 1. Then the second part is almost right, but you missed a very important point, a recurring value is only an *approximation* rather than the absolute. 1/3 is absolute, but the decimal 0.3. is only an approximation. Proof, without bad maths of the 9's reccuring - 0.9. == 1 Multiply by 10: 9.9. = 10 Subtract the original: 9.9. - 0.9. = 9 9 = 9 QED. This is accepted as proper maths, the 1=0 using division by zero is, however, not.

                    veni bibi saltavi

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                    Nice :) But i guess as long as we have an approximation i'll go with its not exactly 1 :P

                    Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                    This is accepted as proper maths, the 1=0 using division by zero is, however, not.

                    I already said that in an other statement that hes wrong

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                      Whats the matter ?

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                      0.9999... is 1.

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                        0.9999... is 1.

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                        By definition, not by maths :)

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                        • D Dominic Burford

                          x = y. Then x2 = xy. Subtract the same thing from both sides: x2 - y2 = xy - y2. Dividing by (x-y), obtain x + y = y. Since x = y, we see that 2 y = y. Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero. Subtracting 1 from both sides, 1 = 0. :wtf:

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                          Ah, the ol' divide by zero trick. I think my math teacher did that when I was in 8th grade. Almost 40 years ago. And I'm sure it's older than that. ;) Marc

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                            By definition, not by maths :)

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                            By maths. There's no difference.

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                              By maths. There's no difference.

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                              Allright, tell that the next flightcomputer that breakes down because he multiplied 0,333 and didn't get to 1 ;)

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                                Allright, tell that the next flightcomputer that breakes down because he multiplied 0,333 and didn't get to 1 ;)

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                                You know, float are not real numbers. (likewise Computer Science is not Mathematics) :-D

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                                  You know, float are not real numbers. (likewise Computer Science is not Mathematics) :-D

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                                  CPallini wrote:

                                  (likewise Computer Science is not Mathematics)

                                  But its both logic :) And 0,999 is not 1 it's even written different :sigh: But i guess we could debate ages about that

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                                    CPallini wrote:

                                    (likewise Computer Science is not Mathematics)

                                    But its both logic :) And 0,999 is not 1 it's even written different :sigh: But i guess we could debate ages about that

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                                    Right: we could follow all the nines until we find a difference. :laugh:

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                                      CPallini wrote:

                                      (likewise Computer Science is not Mathematics)

                                      But its both logic :) And 0,999 is not 1 it's even written different :sigh: But i guess we could debate ages about that

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                                      Take your pick: How Can 0.999... = 1? | Purplemath[^] For example:

                                        x = 0.999...
                                      

                                      10x = 9.999...
                                      10x - x = 9.000...
                                      9x = 9
                                      x = 1

                                      EDIT: As Nagy said[^], 2+ hours ago.


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                                        Take your pick: How Can 0.999... = 1? | Purplemath[^] For example:

                                          x = 0.999...
                                        

                                        10x = 9.999...
                                        10x - x = 9.000...
                                        9x = 9
                                        x = 1

                                        EDIT: As Nagy said[^], 2+ hours ago.


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                                        1/6 ->*6 0,966666666

                                        x = 0,9666
                                        10x = 9,6666
                                        10x -x = 8,7066
                                        9x = 8,7066
                                        x = 0,9674

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                                        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                          Take your pick: How Can 0.999... = 1? | Purplemath[^] For example:

                                            x = 0.999...
                                          

                                          10x = 9.999...
                                          10x - x = 9.000...
                                          9x = 9
                                          x = 1

                                          EDIT: As Nagy said[^], 2+ hours ago.


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                                          1/6 = 0,166666 ->*6 0,9996

                                          x = 0,9996
                                          10x = 9,996
                                          10x -x = 8,9964
                                          9x = 8,9964
                                          x = 0,9996

                                          ?

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