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Breaking News: Windows 8 / 10 calculator removes Natural Log (ln) button

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  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

    You can also get to the additional functions with the ↑ key. But it's still not the best design. :)


    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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    Mark_Wallace
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    I thought that was to get to the emoji page.

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    • P Philippe Mori

      It is not vey much different that many hardware calculators that have a SHIFT button...

      Philippe Mori

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      Yes, but they do that because of limited space. The damned OS calculator takes up half the screen before you extend it.

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        raddevus wrote:

        I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner.

        Try Google: ln(1) - Google Search[^]

        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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        I'm no fan of google's, but that I like!

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        • D Daniel Pfeffer

          That problem has existed in all versions of Calculator as far back as I can remember.

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          Nicholas Marty
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          It was a possible with the Windows XP calculator at least. I don't remember if it got removed with Windows Vista/7 or later. I thought it was still possible with Windows 7 though, but I might be wrong here.

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            raddevus wrote:

            That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that.

            It would help id the fruggin' buttons looked like buttons! [edit] And if 'f's looked less like 'd's, too [/edit]

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            Mark_Wallace wrote:

            It would help id the fruggin' buttons looked like buttons!

            Nailed it!!

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            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

              It is called responsive design...A BS implementation of responsive design...:thumbsdown:

              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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              Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

              A BS implementation of responsive design

              I think you nailed it with this. Some junior dev or intern who was like, "yeah, that's my responsive design...hiding stuff unless the stupid user moves unknown stuff around..."

              My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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              • P Philippe Mori

                It is not vey much different that many hardware calculators that have a SHIFT button...

                Philippe Mori

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                Vark111
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                Except all those calculators that have a shift button also have the names of the shift-functions above the button to which they are assigned. That simple bit of design would have given all the context in the world to the up arrow, which, by itself, means nothing on a calculator.

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                • N Nicholas Marty

                  It was a possible with the Windows XP calculator at least. I don't remember if it got removed with Windows Vista/7 or later. I thought it was still possible with Windows 7 though, but I might be wrong here.

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                  Nope. I'm on 7 and just tried. No decimals in Programmer mode, which is kind of WTF :(

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                  • R raddevus

                    Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                    My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                    Babu4
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                    It now does only Common Core maths

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                    • R raddevus

                      Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                      The problem seems to be between the desk chair and the keyboard. I had no trouble finding it :)

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                      Regards, Sander

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                      • N Nicholas Marty

                        The best thing about is: You can't calculate anything with decimals if you're in programmer mode... You have to switch to another mode for that. X| I prefer one mode for all purposes instead of being forced to switch to different modes. Whoever thought this was a grand idea needs to be slapped as well.

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                        Like F87AB.A7 or 01100111001.11?

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                        • R raddevus

                          Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                          My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                          Forogar
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                          Didn't you see it said, "Touch Friendly"? That means "Function Light". Duh! You just made me revisit the Calculator on my Windows 7 system... it's a great calculator!

                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                          • L Lost User

                            IIRC there is a section (can't recall which) in Charles Petzold's book "Programming Windows", where he writes "No one said it would be easy".

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                            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                            But Petzold was talking about programming! not using!

                            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                              But Petzold was talking about programming! not using!

                              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                              Lost User
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                              Yes, but you don't know what Microsoft was talking about. ;P

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                              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                The problem seems to be between the desk chair and the keyboard. I had no trouble finding it :)

                                Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                raddevus
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                                Yes, Sander. You are a Genius of a whole other magnitude, because you could find this. :D Does that affirm you for today? See you tomorrow. :laugh:

                                My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                • R raddevus

                                  Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                                  My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                  Marc Clifton
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                                  Who cares? Google ln(2)[^] (for example) Marc

                                  Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                    Who cares? Google ln(2)[^] (for example) Marc

                                    Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                    raddevus
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                                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                                    Who cares?

                                    That's Microsoft's new Marketing tag line. Then, everyone in the audience replies: No one! :laugh: You are right and someone edit (I don't see that post now??) :confused: pointed that out just about the first thing. This is how Google makes Microsoft obsolete in every way. :rolleyes: or :cool:? Not sure. :)

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                                    • R raddevus

                                      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                      A BS implementation of responsive design

                                      I think you nailed it with this. Some junior dev or intern who was like, "yeah, that's my responsive design...hiding stuff unless the stupid user moves unknown stuff around..."

                                      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                      Mark_Wallace
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                                      I shouldn't be at all surprised if that's really what they think responsive design means. "Oh, it means that you see more if you make the window bigger!" yup. And the best part is that these **Great** **Upgrades** are forced on everyone.

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                                      • R raddevus

                                        Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                                        My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                        We've come so far over the years :~ .... Clickety[^] Safe for work.

                                        Jeremy Falcon

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                                          We've come so far over the years :~ .... Clickety[^] Safe for work.

                                          Jeremy Falcon

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                                          raddevus
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                                          Haha Win 3.1 Great stuff. Miss it so much. :(( Those were the days of .ini files and the desktop you couldn't use unless you had desktop dropper shell, which became popular just months before win95 released, then everyone forgot about it. desktop dropper[^]

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