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Breaking News: Windows 8 / 10 calculator removes Natural Log (ln) button

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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    raddevus wrote:

    I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner.

    Try Google: ln(1) - Google Search[^]

    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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    Mark_Wallace
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    I'm no fan of google's, but that I like!

    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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    • D Daniel Pfeffer

      That problem has existed in all versions of Calculator as far back as I can remember.

      If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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      Nicholas Marty
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      It was a possible with the Windows XP calculator at least. I don't remember if it got removed with Windows Vista/7 or later. I thought it was still possible with Windows 7 though, but I might be wrong here.

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        raddevus wrote:

        That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that.

        It would help id the fruggin' buttons looked like buttons! [edit] And if 'f's looked less like 'd's, too [/edit]

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        raddevus
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        Mark_Wallace wrote:

        It would help id the fruggin' buttons looked like buttons!

        Nailed it!!

        My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

          It is called responsive design...A BS implementation of responsive design...:thumbsdown:

          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

          A BS implementation of responsive design

          I think you nailed it with this. Some junior dev or intern who was like, "yeah, that's my responsive design...hiding stuff unless the stupid user moves unknown stuff around..."

          My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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          • P Philippe Mori

            It is not vey much different that many hardware calculators that have a SHIFT button...

            Philippe Mori

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            Vark111
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            Except all those calculators that have a shift button also have the names of the shift-functions above the button to which they are assigned. That simple bit of design would have given all the context in the world to the up arrow, which, by itself, means nothing on a calculator.

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            • N Nicholas Marty

              It was a possible with the Windows XP calculator at least. I don't remember if it got removed with Windows Vista/7 or later. I thought it was still possible with Windows 7 though, but I might be wrong here.

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              Nope. I'm on 7 and just tried. No decimals in Programmer mode, which is kind of WTF :(

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              • R raddevus

                Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                It now does only Common Core maths

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                • R raddevus

                  Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                  My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                  Sander Rossel
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                  The problem seems to be between the desk chair and the keyboard. I had no trouble finding it :)

                  Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  • N Nicholas Marty

                    The best thing about is: You can't calculate anything with decimals if you're in programmer mode... You have to switch to another mode for that. X| I prefer one mode for all purposes instead of being forced to switch to different modes. Whoever thought this was a grand idea needs to be slapped as well.

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                    Lost User
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                    Like F87AB.A7 or 01100111001.11?

                    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                    This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                    "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                    • R raddevus

                      Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                      Forogar
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                      Didn't you see it said, "Touch Friendly"? That means "Function Light". Duh! You just made me revisit the Calculator on my Windows 7 system... it's a great calculator!

                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                      • L Lost User

                        IIRC there is a section (can't recall which) in Charles Petzold's book "Programming Windows", where he writes "No one said it would be easy".

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                        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                        But Petzold was talking about programming! not using!

                        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                        "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                          But Petzold was talking about programming! not using!

                          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                          Lost User
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                          Yes, but you don't know what Microsoft was talking about. ;P

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                          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                            The problem seems to be between the desk chair and the keyboard. I had no trouble finding it :)

                            Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                            Regards, Sander

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                            raddevus
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                            Yes, Sander. You are a Genius of a whole other magnitude, because you could find this. :D Does that affirm you for today? See you tomorrow. :laugh:

                            My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                            • R raddevus

                              Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                              My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                              Marc Clifton
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                              Who cares? Google ln(2)[^] (for example) Marc

                              Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                              • M Marc Clifton

                                Who cares? Google ln(2)[^] (for example) Marc

                                Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                raddevus
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                                Marc Clifton wrote:

                                Who cares?

                                That's Microsoft's new Marketing tag line. Then, everyone in the audience replies: No one! :laugh: You are right and someone edit (I don't see that post now??) :confused: pointed that out just about the first thing. This is how Google makes Microsoft obsolete in every way. :rolleyes: or :cool:? Not sure. :)

                                My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                • R raddevus

                                  Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                  A BS implementation of responsive design

                                  I think you nailed it with this. Some junior dev or intern who was like, "yeah, that's my responsive design...hiding stuff unless the stupid user moves unknown stuff around..."

                                  My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                  Mark_Wallace
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                                  I shouldn't be at all surprised if that's really what they think responsive design means. "Oh, it means that you see more if you make the window bigger!" yup. And the best part is that these **Great** **Upgrades** are forced on everyone.

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                  • R raddevus

                                    Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                                    My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                    Jeremy Falcon
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                                    We've come so far over the years :~ .... Clickety[^] Safe for work.

                                    Jeremy Falcon

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                                      We've come so far over the years :~ .... Clickety[^] Safe for work.

                                      Jeremy Falcon

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                                      raddevus
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                                      Haha Win 3.1 Great stuff. Miss it so much. :(( Those were the days of .ini files and the desktop you couldn't use unless you had desktop dropper shell, which became popular just months before win95 released, then everyone forgot about it. desktop dropper[^]

                                      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        Like F87AB.A7 or 01100111001.11?

                                        The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                        This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                                        "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                                        Nicholas Marty
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                                        Not for Hex or Binary input. But at least I didn't have to switch to another mode just for calculating something with decimals

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                                        • N Nicholas Marty

                                          Not for Hex or Binary input. But at least I didn't have to switch to another mode just for calculating something with decimals

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                                          Lost User
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                                          I have been calculating the timing values for machine code routines recently and ran into that problem.

                                          The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                          This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                                          "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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