Microsoft, much appreciated.
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lw@zi wrote:
Often, in the workshops with technologically diverse audience, my response to "how do you do X?" is Visual Studio or framework provides this by default. I have always liked .Net framework even though I had little to no exposure to Java World and others. But now that I have to really deal with it, I see how awesome .Net framework is.
Let me see if I have correctly translated this: I just discovered that I don't how to program because the .NET framework does everything for me. Did I get that right? Best Wishes, -David Delaune
LOL, no. What I mean to say is that even now, there are so many non-programming trivial tasks that require too much to time and effort. Plus, I noticed that there is a lot of effort that goes in to integrating various tools that are employed. In the .Net framework, most of the things are provided by default.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
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I think I have posted this before. My new job requires me to not to be limited to MS technologies and hence I am learning other things. Looking at the state of other technologies, I really appreciate what MS has done with .Net framework. Often, in the workshops with technologically diverse audience, my response to "how do you do X?" is Visual Studio or framework provides this by default. I have always liked .Net framework even though I had little to no exposure to Java World and others. But now that I have to really deal with it, I see how awesome .Net framework is. Once again, thank you Microsoft. PS: Yes, I know pains of working with some MS offerings.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
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Are you in marketing?
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I think I have posted this before. My new job requires me to not to be limited to MS technologies and hence I am learning other things. Looking at the state of other technologies, I really appreciate what MS has done with .Net framework. Often, in the workshops with technologically diverse audience, my response to "how do you do X?" is Visual Studio or framework provides this by default. I have always liked .Net framework even though I had little to no exposure to Java World and others. But now that I have to really deal with it, I see how awesome .Net framework is. Once again, thank you Microsoft. PS: Yes, I know pains of working with some MS offerings.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
Yah it looks like I am also going to have to dip into the non MS universe out there. I am not looking forward to it at all. Still I detest the web stack that needs to be dealt with, doing it in Java can't be all that much worse can it.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Yah it looks like I am also going to have to dip into the non MS universe out there. I am not looking forward to it at all. Still I detest the web stack that needs to be dealt with, doing it in Java can't be all that much worse can it.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
It might be. Here are few things you might end up using: Gulp Grunt Maven Docker GIT Blah Doink jMeter Phew jBoss Cradle Toothpick Gradle Grave ...and many more in a simple application I just made up few names here.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
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It might be. Here are few things you might end up using: Gulp Grunt Maven Docker GIT Blah Doink jMeter Phew jBoss Cradle Toothpick Gradle Grave ...and many more in a simple application I just made up few names here.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
"Grave" probably more sooner than later :laugh:
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It might be. Here are few things you might end up using: Gulp Grunt Maven Docker GIT Blah Doink jMeter Phew jBoss Cradle Toothpick Gradle Grave ...and many more in a simple application I just made up few names here.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
lw@zi wrote:
I just made up few names here.
No you didn't... Blah.security J2EE Security Framework - Free download[^] Doink[^] GitHub - mirikle/phew: Easy horizontal scrolling framework[^] GitHub - stephanenicolas/toothpick: A scope tree based Dependency Injection (DI) library for Java[^] :laugh:
arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly Sander's bits - Writing the code you need
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lw@zi wrote:
Often, in the workshops with technologically diverse audience, my response to "how do you do X?" is Visual Studio or framework provides this by default. I have always liked .Net framework even though I had little to no exposure to Java World and others. But now that I have to really deal with it, I see how awesome .Net framework is.
Let me see if I have correctly translated this: I just discovered that I don't how to program because the .NET framework does everything for me. Did I get that right? Best Wishes, -David Delaune
Spotted the person that hates reusability :laugh: In all seriousness though, why waste your time coding something if an existing implementation does it within requirements? That just equates to less time on CodeProject (sellout mode activated, staff plz? Kappa). And we all want to maximize our time :thumbsup: Would you write your own compiler every time you start a project because "using an IDE just shows you don't know how to program?"
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Yah it looks like I am also going to have to dip into the non MS universe out there. I am not looking forward to it at all. Still I detest the web stack that needs to be dealt with, doing it in Java can't be all that much worse can it.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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lw@zi wrote:
I just made up few names here.
No you didn't... Blah.security J2EE Security Framework - Free download[^] Doink[^] GitHub - mirikle/phew: Easy horizontal scrolling framework[^] GitHub - stephanenicolas/toothpick: A scope tree based Dependency Injection (DI) library for Java[^] :laugh:
arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly Sander's bits - Writing the code you need
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I think I have posted this before. My new job requires me to not to be limited to MS technologies and hence I am learning other things. Looking at the state of other technologies, I really appreciate what MS has done with .Net framework. Often, in the workshops with technologically diverse audience, my response to "how do you do X?" is Visual Studio or framework provides this by default. I have always liked .Net framework even though I had little to no exposure to Java World and others. But now that I have to really deal with it, I see how awesome .Net framework is. Once again, thank you Microsoft. PS: Yes, I know pains of working with some MS offerings.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
I also wish I could be ten years younger when I also still was in the euphoria stage of my relation to Mickeysoft.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
Spotted the person that hates reusability :laugh: In all seriousness though, why waste your time coding something if an existing implementation does it within requirements? That just equates to less time on CodeProject (sellout mode activated, staff plz? Kappa). And we all want to maximize our time :thumbsup: Would you write your own compiler every time you start a project because "using an IDE just shows you don't know how to program?"
I agree! Just like SO does. Why waste time figuring out how to fixed a trivial error when someone already fixed it. :-)
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I think I have posted this before. My new job requires me to not to be limited to MS technologies and hence I am learning other things. Looking at the state of other technologies, I really appreciate what MS has done with .Net framework. Often, in the workshops with technologically diverse audience, my response to "how do you do X?" is Visual Studio or framework provides this by default. I have always liked .Net framework even though I had little to no exposure to Java World and others. But now that I have to really deal with it, I see how awesome .Net framework is. Once again, thank you Microsoft. PS: Yes, I know pains of working with some MS offerings.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
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I think I have posted this before. My new job requires me to not to be limited to MS technologies and hence I am learning other things. Looking at the state of other technologies, I really appreciate what MS has done with .Net framework. Often, in the workshops with technologically diverse audience, my response to "how do you do X?" is Visual Studio or framework provides this by default. I have always liked .Net framework even though I had little to no exposure to Java World and others. But now that I have to really deal with it, I see how awesome .Net framework is. Once again, thank you Microsoft. PS: Yes, I know pains of working with some MS offerings.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
Why not simply using Mono then? It's not a Microsoft technology, but it's a familiar environment to any .NET programmer.
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lw@zi wrote:
Often, in the workshops with technologically diverse audience, my response to "how do you do X?" is Visual Studio or framework provides this by default. I have always liked .Net framework even though I had little to no exposure to Java World and others. But now that I have to really deal with it, I see how awesome .Net framework is.
Let me see if I have correctly translated this: I just discovered that I don't how to program because the .NET framework does everything for me. Did I get that right? Best Wishes, -David Delaune
Positions like this are akin to saying that you're not a 'real mechanic' unless you smelt your own metal for the engine blocks in the cars you work on. Get real! It's not the tools we use, its how we use them.
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I think I have posted this before. My new job requires me to not to be limited to MS technologies and hence I am learning other things. Looking at the state of other technologies, I really appreciate what MS has done with .Net framework. Often, in the workshops with technologically diverse audience, my response to "how do you do X?" is Visual Studio or framework provides this by default. I have always liked .Net framework even though I had little to no exposure to Java World and others. But now that I have to really deal with it, I see how awesome .Net framework is. Once again, thank you Microsoft. PS: Yes, I know pains of working with some MS offerings.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
100%. During a short "corporate" stint I was forced to use Java for a new project; had to go shopping: Java Swing Struts Apache Tomcat JBoss Enterprise Beans NetBeans Some other "beans" etc, etc. I hadn't finished "shopping", when they said we could use .NET (but not the "latest" version because we didn't want to "push it"). Even with .NET 2.0, it was better than the alternatives. Yes, I too found a "home" in .NET (and I just say I don't "do" the other stuff anymore).
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I think I have posted this before. My new job requires me to not to be limited to MS technologies and hence I am learning other things. Looking at the state of other technologies, I really appreciate what MS has done with .Net framework. Often, in the workshops with technologically diverse audience, my response to "how do you do X?" is Visual Studio or framework provides this by default. I have always liked .Net framework even though I had little to no exposure to Java World and others. But now that I have to really deal with it, I see how awesome .Net framework is. Once again, thank you Microsoft. PS: Yes, I know pains of working with some MS offerings.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
My perspective on this is a bit different. yeah, MSFT does a great job of integrating and making their environment work well together, but at what costs to me over time. I have been developing software for over 30 years. C was one of many new found loves in the early days. And MSFT would push new features in, but stop supporting the other stuff pretty quickly. We had a 32 bit rewrite of a library that we could NOT recompile in 16 bit mode because of MSFT not implementing the new features for 16 bit C compiler. We had to get TurboC to compile the 16 bit version from the 32 bit version MSFT let the guy write. It was a pain. It was that, or support 2 drastically different code bases. Then, we have the NIGHTMARE Visual Studio upgrade policies. Where they remove support for things, and your old code base wont build. I usually find VS developers with 2 and usually 3 different VS versions installed on their machines if they have to support legacy code. Yes, for a turnkey development environment... Go MSFT. But for long-term support of code and environments, over 3-5 iterations of VS wow... But what they did was hide the details, making it easier to get started. Good luck when you need to use PostgresSQL or Oracle, and you have to spend an hour or two finding the magic settings to making the connections between prod and dev work correctly. Even worse with a new release. In the end, confusion simply means you are learning something... :-)
