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Am I the only C# develeoper who HATES web config files....?

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  • D David Radcliffe 0

    These files are a pain to work with, are full of meaningless gibberish, and we are expected to add this guff without any support from Visual Studio... Does anyone know every section and item that a web config file can hold?

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    Ehsan Sajjad
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    I don't see any reason why a c# developer would hate web.config or app.config as they provide the flexibility to change the configuration level things without rebuilding and redeploying the application. They are quite useful in my opinion. :)

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      web.config is child's play compared to WCF binding configuration options. X| Marc

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      Dave Kreskowiak
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      How dare you bring up such a vile topic. :rolleyes: Gives me the heebie jeebies.

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      • D David Radcliffe 0

        These files are a pain to work with, are full of meaningless gibberish, and we are expected to add this guff without any support from Visual Studio... Does anyone know every section and item that a web config file can hold?

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        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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        Sometimes, code is easier.

        #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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        • D David Radcliffe 0

          These files are a pain to work with, are full of meaningless gibberish, and we are expected to add this guff without any support from Visual Studio... Does anyone know every section and item that a web config file can hold?

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          Dave Kreskowiak
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          Nope! Most definitely not the only one. Though, I did just get done writing an interpreter that executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.

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          • M Marc Clifton

            web.config is child's play compared to WCF binding configuration options. X| Marc

            Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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            raddevus
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            Or take a look at applicationHost.config (c:\windows\system32\inetsrv\config\) (machine level IIS config) Then, you'll feel like your web.config is small. It's all relative. :laugh: Here's a snippet to help you feel better:

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            • D David Radcliffe 0

              These files are a pain to work with, are full of meaningless gibberish, and we are expected to add this guff without any support from Visual Studio... Does anyone know every section and item that a web config file can hold?

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              David Radcliffe 0
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              Ok, to clarify. The web/app config files of themselves are ok. Better than Registry entries ;) Working with them, however, is a pain. There's very little intellisense, and finding out what you need to add is difficult. Yes, I am proposing something better - Visual Studio should have a GUI tool to create these files, with drop-down menus of choices, check-boxes for true/false options, etc.

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                You're going to propose a better alternative?

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                raddevus
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                Sander Rossel wrote:

                You're going to propose a better alternative?

                Yes, if you're going to bring up a problem to the forum, then you need to provide your solution too. :laugh:

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                • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                  Sometimes, code is easier.

                  #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

                  Sometimes, code is easier.

                  I see the italics. But are you saying, "forget config files, let's use hard-coded" values?" :)

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                  • D Dave Kreskowiak

                    Nope! Most definitely not the only one. Though, I did just get done writing an interpreter that executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.

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                    raddevus
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                    Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                    executes fairly simple scripts written in XML

                    Oh, a DSL[^]?

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                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                      You're going to propose a better alternative?

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                      Daniel Pfeffer
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                      Bring back JCL!

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                        Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                        executes fairly simple scripts written in XML

                        Oh, a DSL[^]?

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                        Dave Kreskowiak
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                        Yep. It's for a wrapper we use in all of our packaged software we deploy. Since we have to support 8 different platforms, it makes packaging and deploying software a bit ... complicated. Script support makes life a whole lot easier. Using an XML-based solution made parsing and syntax checking a piece of cake and I had to bang out a solution quickly. This also makes it easy for our QA and deployment tools to parse and check too.

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                          Yep. It's for a wrapper we use in all of our packaged software we deploy. Since we have to support 8 different platforms, it makes packaging and deploying software a bit ... complicated. Script support makes life a whole lot easier. Using an XML-based solution made parsing and syntax checking a piece of cake and I had to bang out a solution quickly. This also makes it easy for our QA and deployment tools to parse and check too.

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                          raddevus
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                          Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Sounds like one of the better uses of XML.

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                            Lucky you weren't around when we were using the Registry....

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                            Try keeping up with INI files. :-\

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                              Try keeping up with INI files. :-\

                              When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.

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                              F ES Sitecore
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                              You're telling me about INI files? I've installed OS/2....

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                                You're telling me about INI files? I've installed OS/2....

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                                OS/2? OS/2!?! For goodness sake why? Is it a punishment or something? :wtf:

                                When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.

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                                • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                  Bring back JCL!

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                                  Sander Rossel
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                                  I am too young to even know what you're talking about... :~

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                                    Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Sounds like one of the better uses of XML.

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                                    It's a lot simpler to understand than Powershell, especially for people who don't have a coding background.

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                                    • R raddevus

                                      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

                                      Sometimes, code is easier.

                                      I see the italics. But are you saying, "forget config files, let's use hard-coded" values?" :)

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                                      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                      Yes, for simple use cases where the config never or seldomly changes. However, if you need to configure it on-the-fly or at install time, then config files are the way to go.

                                      #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                      • D Dave Kreskowiak

                                        Nope! Most definitely not the only one. Though, I did just get done writing an interpreter that executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.

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                                        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                        Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                                        executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.

                                        Why? Why not use XSLT? :rolleyes:

                                        #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                          Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                                          executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.

                                          Why? Why not use XSLT? :rolleyes:

                                          #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                          Dave Kreskowiak
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                                          Because writing the XSD was bad enough! :-D

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