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Am I the only C# develeoper who HATES web config files....?

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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    You're going to propose a better alternative?

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    Bring back JCL!

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      Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

      executes fairly simple scripts written in XML

      Oh, a DSL[^]?

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      Yep. It's for a wrapper we use in all of our packaged software we deploy. Since we have to support 8 different platforms, it makes packaging and deploying software a bit ... complicated. Script support makes life a whole lot easier. Using an XML-based solution made parsing and syntax checking a piece of cake and I had to bang out a solution quickly. This also makes it easy for our QA and deployment tools to parse and check too.

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        Yep. It's for a wrapper we use in all of our packaged software we deploy. Since we have to support 8 different platforms, it makes packaging and deploying software a bit ... complicated. Script support makes life a whole lot easier. Using an XML-based solution made parsing and syntax checking a piece of cake and I had to bang out a solution quickly. This also makes it easy for our QA and deployment tools to parse and check too.

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        raddevus
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        Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Sounds like one of the better uses of XML.

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          Lucky you weren't around when we were using the Registry....

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          Try keeping up with INI files. :-\

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            Try keeping up with INI files. :-\

            When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.

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            F ES Sitecore
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            You're telling me about INI files? I've installed OS/2....

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              You're telling me about INI files? I've installed OS/2....

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              OS/2? OS/2!?! For goodness sake why? Is it a punishment or something? :wtf:

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                Bring back JCL!

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                Sander Rossel
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                I am too young to even know what you're talking about... :~

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                  Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Sounds like one of the better uses of XML.

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                  It's a lot simpler to understand than Powershell, especially for people who don't have a coding background.

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                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

                    Sometimes, code is easier.

                    I see the italics. But are you saying, "forget config files, let's use hard-coded" values?" :)

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                    Yes, for simple use cases where the config never or seldomly changes. However, if you need to configure it on-the-fly or at install time, then config files are the way to go.

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                      Nope! Most definitely not the only one. Though, I did just get done writing an interpreter that executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.

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                      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                      Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                      executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.

                      Why? Why not use XSLT? :rolleyes:

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                        Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                        executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.

                        Why? Why not use XSLT? :rolleyes:

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                        Because writing the XSD was bad enough! :-D

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                          Because writing the XSD was bad enough! :-D

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                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                          Ugh! Forsooth!

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                          • D Dave Kreskowiak

                            It's a lot simpler to understand than Powershell, especially for people who don't have a coding background.

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                            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                            Maybe you could share your little scripting language with an article on CP? Please?

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                              I am too young to even know what you're talking about... :~

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                              For those who are not (yet...) old farts, JCL was the Job Control Language used to set job parameters on IBM mainframes. It had a few variants, and so many options that most people got an expert to prepare the cards for them, and then re-used them for every job.

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                                Maybe you could share your little scripting language with an article on CP? Please?

                                #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                Dave Kreskowiak
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                                I don't know if I can get that written. I've got about a years worth of code to write and now have to do it inside of 4 months. :sigh:

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                                  I don't know if I can get that written. I've got about a years worth of code to write and now have to do it inside of 4 months. :sigh:

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                                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                  :rose::java:

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                                    Or take a look at applicationHost.config (c:\windows\system32\inetsrv\config\) (machine level IIS config) Then, you'll feel like your web.config is small. It's all relative. :laugh: Here's a snippet to help you feel better:

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                                    raddevus wrote:

                                    Or take a look at applicationHost.config

                                    Oh, my eyes! My poor eyes! Point taken. ;) Marc

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                                      For those who are not (yet...) old farts, JCL was the Job Control Language used to set job parameters on IBM mainframes. It had a few variants, and so many options that most people got an expert to prepare the cards for them, and then re-used them for every job.

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                                      Sounds good, let the experts handle our web config files so I never have to edit them again! :laugh:

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                                      • D David Radcliffe 0

                                        These files are a pain to work with, are full of meaningless gibberish, and we are expected to add this guff without any support from Visual Studio... Does anyone know every section and item that a web config file can hold?

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                                        trantrum
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                                        Totally agree!

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                                        • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                          For those who are not (yet...) old farts, JCL was the Job Control Language used to set job parameters on IBM mainframes. It had a few variants, and so many options that most people got an expert to prepare the cards for them, and then re-used them for every job.

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                                          In the early 1980's I was a "Customer Engineer" and I wrote a CLIST (later REXX) program on TSO that gathered option choices and produced and submitted the JCL. Damn near drove me insane. I didn't end up in the funny farm but I can see from my window.

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