Am I the only C# develeoper who HATES web config files....?
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Nope! Most definitely not the only one. Though, I did just get done writing an interpreter that executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.
Why? Why not use XSLT? :rolleyes:
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
executes fairly simple scripts written in XML.
Why? Why not use XSLT? :rolleyes:
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Because writing the XSD was bad enough! :-D
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Because writing the XSD was bad enough! :-D
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Dave KreskowiakUgh! Forsooth!
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It's a lot simpler to understand than Powershell, especially for people who don't have a coding background.
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Dave KreskowiakMaybe you could share your little scripting language with an article on CP? Please?
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I am too young to even know what you're talking about... :~
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For those who are not (yet...) old farts, JCL was the Job Control Language used to set job parameters on IBM mainframes. It had a few variants, and so many options that most people got an expert to prepare the cards for them, and then re-used them for every job.
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Maybe you could share your little scripting language with an article on CP? Please?
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I don't know if I can get that written. I've got about a years worth of code to write and now have to do it inside of 4 months. :sigh:
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I don't know if I can get that written. I've got about a years worth of code to write and now have to do it inside of 4 months. :sigh:
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Dave Kreskowiak:rose::java:
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Or take a look at applicationHost.config (c:\windows\system32\inetsrv\config\) (machine level IIS config) Then, you'll feel like your web.config is small. It's all relative. :laugh: Here's a snippet to help you feel better:
raddevus wrote:
Or take a look at applicationHost.config
Oh, my eyes! My poor eyes! Point taken. ;) Marc
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For those who are not (yet...) old farts, JCL was the Job Control Language used to set job parameters on IBM mainframes. It had a few variants, and so many options that most people got an expert to prepare the cards for them, and then re-used them for every job.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
Sounds good, let the experts handle our web config files so I never have to edit them again! :laugh:
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These files are a pain to work with, are full of meaningless gibberish, and we are expected to add this guff without any support from Visual Studio... Does anyone know every section and item that a web config file can hold?
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For those who are not (yet...) old farts, JCL was the Job Control Language used to set job parameters on IBM mainframes. It had a few variants, and so many options that most people got an expert to prepare the cards for them, and then re-used them for every job.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
In the early 1980's I was a "Customer Engineer" and I wrote a CLIST (later REXX) program on TSO that gathered option choices and produced and submitted the JCL. Damn near drove me insane. I didn't end up in the funny farm but I can see from my window.
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These files are a pain to work with, are full of meaningless gibberish, and we are expected to add this guff without any support from Visual Studio... Does anyone know every section and item that a web config file can hold?
I certainly don't mind the idea of them (e.g. place to put connection strings and other straightforward config stuff), but I agree they are mysterious and verbose in other areas.
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For those who are not (yet...) old farts, JCL was the Job Control Language used to set job parameters on IBM mainframes. It had a few variants, and so many options that most people got an expert to prepare the cards for them, and then re-used them for every job.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
When I interned at IBM back in 1985, there was a room full of "Computer Operator"s staffed 24x7, whose primary job was to monitor looking for jobs that didn't run because of an error in the JCL used to submit it and then try to fix the JCL and resubmit. They kept very busy. The wife of one of my mentors there was the manager of that team.
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These files are a pain to work with, are full of meaningless gibberish, and we are expected to add this guff without any support from Visual Studio... Does anyone know every section and item that a web config file can hold?
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These files are a pain to work with, are full of meaningless gibberish, and we are expected to add this guff without any support from Visual Studio... Does anyone know every section and item that a web config file can hold?
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These files are a pain to work with, are full of meaningless gibberish, and we are expected to add this guff without any support from Visual Studio... Does anyone know every section and item that a web config file can hold?
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Try keeping up with INI files. :-\
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
.ini files, specific to each application, make a lot more sense than one big registry. If an INI file gets screwed, only one app is screwed. If the registry gets screwed, your whole OS is screwed. If they get too big, then a good INI-specific editing tool is needed, but it's still easier to maintain and understand than the registry. MS should have abandoned the registry long ago.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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.ini files, specific to each application, make a lot more sense than one big registry. If an INI file gets screwed, only one app is screwed. If the registry gets screwed, your whole OS is screwed. If they get too big, then a good INI-specific editing tool is needed, but it's still easier to maintain and understand than the registry. MS should have abandoned the registry long ago.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
At one time, there was win.ini / system.ini Shove EVERYTHING IN THERE. == Crash == Okay, every app gets it's own INI file, we have learned apps require more data than can be properly stored in an INI file (was it like 16K)? == Boom == We have a SINGLE registry. It can grow as needed, put everything in there! (Ignore the 3 minute login, roaming profiles (OMG) and other stuff) == Bang == So now we have Registry for SOME Things, INI Files for other things, and config files for other things. and MANY require some combination of all of them! In the end, property bags (some kind of complex XML/JSON configuration file is what is required). They should be application specific, and WELL-DOCUMENTED by the VENDOR. And how you add your own stuff should be VERY VERY CLEAR. I hope we get there... Before I retire.
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Bring back JCL!
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
The Java Command Line?
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At one time, there was win.ini / system.ini Shove EVERYTHING IN THERE. == Crash == Okay, every app gets it's own INI file, we have learned apps require more data than can be properly stored in an INI file (was it like 16K)? == Boom == We have a SINGLE registry. It can grow as needed, put everything in there! (Ignore the 3 minute login, roaming profiles (OMG) and other stuff) == Bang == So now we have Registry for SOME Things, INI Files for other things, and config files for other things. and MANY require some combination of all of them! In the end, property bags (some kind of complex XML/JSON configuration file is what is required). They should be application specific, and WELL-DOCUMENTED by the VENDOR. And how you add your own stuff should be VERY VERY CLEAR. I hope we get there... Before I retire.
Kirk 10389821 wrote:
I hope we get there... Before I retire.
A beautiful plan, but I'm not holding my breath for MS to give up on the registry. With any luck I'll retire in 7 years. I can probably suffer with the status quo that long.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
