I'm completely disillusioned with hardware manufacturers
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So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now
Youngster. I've been waiting 30 years for a laptop that's better than "it didn't suck." BTW, for a basic tablet, I really like the Surface Go.
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So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.
cheers Chris Maunder
Not quite a laptop but ... kaypro portable [^]
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Or is a hackintosh still an option?
Maybe...not sure. Though, in case I ever decide to throw it onto their App Store, I don't think I want to risk the licensing cops coming after me :) From what I understand, you can pick up a used Mac cheap enough...simply don't want to go through the hassle for a single-purpose (for me) device. Originally, I hoped I could purchase a legit macOS license and run it in a VM...oh well, wishful thinking. I guess I've been spoiled by Android. Simply fire up an emulator for free or purchase a device that is almost free. Sometimes I wonder if Apple is actively discouraging independent developers.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now
Youngster. I've been waiting 30 years for a laptop that's better than "it didn't suck." BTW, for a basic tablet, I really like the Surface Go.
…at least they've gotten better than that stone tablet (and chisel) we used to lug around :)
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…at least they've gotten better than that stone tablet (and chisel) we used to lug around :)
You were lucky to have a stone tablet and chisel; we had....
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Not quite a laptop but ... kaypro portable [^]
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
My older brother used one of those for a while (he bought it from a neighbor after I sold my Apple II+ to buy a car.) The first portable computer I used on a non-trivial basis was a Toshiba 3100[^]. It was heavy (16 pounds), but lighter than the Kaypro II (29 pounds).
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Maybe...not sure. Though, in case I ever decide to throw it onto their App Store, I don't think I want to risk the licensing cops coming after me :) From what I understand, you can pick up a used Mac cheap enough...simply don't want to go through the hassle for a single-purpose (for me) device. Originally, I hoped I could purchase a legit macOS license and run it in a VM...oh well, wishful thinking. I guess I've been spoiled by Android. Simply fire up an emulator for free or purchase a device that is almost free. Sometimes I wonder if Apple is actively discouraging independent developers.
Yeah, I looked into it about fifteen years ago. At the time, I probably would have gone with a Mac mini. But then I found work using C#.
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So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.
cheers Chris Maunder
I'd guess this couldn't be used for the massive scale dev you probably do, but, this might be of interest, Chris: Continuous: Professional C# and F# IDE for the iPad [^]
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What's New Version History Jul 12, 2018 Version 1.2 * C# 7 support * Import files from other apps * Support for Reflection * Play button now shows full screen
If I had an iPad, I'd check this out: for US$9.99 on the Apple Store.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.
cheers Chris Maunder
ThinkPad X1 Carbon | 6th Gen Business Laptop | Lenovo US[^] Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme | 15.6" laptop with extreme power & portability | Lenovo US[^] Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon 6th generation 2018 with HDR display and Dolby Vision - YouTube[^] Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon 6th Gen (2018) Review - YouTube[^]
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
laptops will go the way of desktop PCs
What, they'll be around forever, because a hand-held device with a touch-screen will never attain the productivity levels of mouse & keyboard use?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Chris Maunder wrote:
laptops will go the way of desktop PCs
What, they'll be around forever, because a hand-held device with a touch-screen will never attain the productivity levels of mouse & keyboard use?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Firstly, If a keyboard and mouse is the pinnacle of human-computer interaction then I'm quitting this industry now. The keyboard and mouse are a stop-gap measure - a long term stop-gap measure - but one that needs to be replaced. Secondly, I'm not suggesting that our current input methods will go. We still need keyboards and mice and big screens. The industry has been moving (for years) towards replacing desktops with laptops, and now laptops with tablets (surface, iPad Pro), and then it'll be foldable phones replacing tablets (eg the phones in Westworld[^]). All of these will, I assume, still allow us to connect to more spacious input and output devices.
cheers Chris Maunder
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ThinkPad X1 Carbon | 6th Gen Business Laptop | Lenovo US[^] Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme | 15.6" laptop with extreme power & portability | Lenovo US[^] Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon 6th generation 2018 with HDR display and Dolby Vision - YouTube[^] Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon 6th Gen (2018) Review - YouTube[^]
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
Just not a fan of them. I've tried to like them, but each time I pick one up and take it for a spin it just doesn't do it for me.
cheers Chris Maunder
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I'd guess this couldn't be used for the massive scale dev you probably do, but, this might be of interest, Chris: Continuous: Professional C# and F# IDE for the iPad [^]
Quote:
What's New Version History Jul 12, 2018 Version 1.2 * C# 7 support * Import files from other apps * Support for Reflection * Play button now shows full screen
If I had an iPad, I'd check this out: for US$9.99 on the Apple Store.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
Now that is pretty cool! Probably not sufficient for me to move CodeProject development over to it, but we're getting there!
cheers Chris Maunder
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Not quite a laptop but ... kaypro portable [^]
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
Yes!! That was the first machine I learned to code on. What a blast from the past.
cheers Chris Maunder
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I too wish Apple would narrow the development gap between their iPad and Mac products. I'm playing around with MonoGame and considering an Apple version of my game. Regrettably, as I understand it, I need to purchase a Mac for this task. I wouldn't mind getting an iPad, which would serve other purposes, but I have no other use for a Mac. Oh well...if I can figure out the minimum required Mac, maybe I'll pick up a dinosaur off eBay.
This is actually why I initially bought a Macbook: I wanted to develop occasionally on a Mac but my primary world was Windows. The Mac hardware is beautiful and runs Windows exceptionally well (faster than my desktop at the time, and my desktop was a beast) so I got a great laptop with fast Windows that allowed to develop on a Mac.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now,
Taking this where I tend to take most things, I think the only hope you have for a perfect laptop will be found in a bar, complete with dancer. Cheers cheers cheers!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Some things I just can't afford.
cheers Chris Maunder
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This is actually why I initially bought a Macbook: I wanted to develop occasionally on a Mac but my primary world was Windows. The Mac hardware is beautiful and runs Windows exceptionally well (faster than my desktop at the time, and my desktop was a beast) so I got a great laptop with fast Windows that allowed to develop on a Mac.
cheers Chris Maunder
Doh! Chris, you may have chagrined me :) I began thinking about running macOS in a Windows VM (to save money). This may have led me to box in my thinking. I hate it when that happens. Running Windows in a Mac VM, on a notebook, might work for me. It would buy me some portability and I'd get the Windows licenses for free with VS Pro. Less than ideal, from a cost perspective, but more useful than a Mac Mini, if I can get away with it. Dang! Now I have to Google VM options for Mac. Any suggestions/preferences for best VM solutions on Mac (assuming this is an option)? Probably, I should start a new topic. EDIT: I would have given you two votes up for the knock on the noggin, but was limited to one :) SECOND EDIT: Nope, doesn't make sense for me. I can buy a recent Mac Mini AND a Windows notebook for the about the same price as a recent MacBook. Seemed like a good idea at first, but the economics simply don't make sense.
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Firstly, If a keyboard and mouse is the pinnacle of human-computer interaction then I'm quitting this industry now. The keyboard and mouse are a stop-gap measure - a long term stop-gap measure - but one that needs to be replaced. Secondly, I'm not suggesting that our current input methods will go. We still need keyboards and mice and big screens. The industry has been moving (for years) towards replacing desktops with laptops, and now laptops with tablets (surface, iPad Pro), and then it'll be foldable phones replacing tablets (eg the phones in Westworld[^]). All of these will, I assume, still allow us to connect to more spacious input and output devices.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
Firstly, If a keyboard and mouse is the pinnacle of human-computer interaction then I'm quitting this industry now. The keyboard and mouse are a stop-gap measure - a long term stop-gap measure - but one that needs to be replaced.
Let's hope you never have to deal with Linux people: they think the pinnacle of human-computer interaction is typing on a keyboard. No mouse. No touch. No voice. No scroll. No click. No pen. Just tap.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Firstly, If a keyboard and mouse is the pinnacle of human-computer interaction then I'm quitting this industry now. The keyboard and mouse are a stop-gap measure - a long term stop-gap measure - but one that needs to be replaced.
Let's hope you never have to deal with Linux people: they think the pinnacle of human-computer interaction is typing on a keyboard. No mouse. No touch. No voice. No scroll. No click. No pen. Just tap.
My first 10 years of programming was in FORTRAN using vi in a research lab with a bunch of scientists who didn't trust these new fangled "PC" things. In 1996.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Doh! Chris, you may have chagrined me :) I began thinking about running macOS in a Windows VM (to save money). This may have led me to box in my thinking. I hate it when that happens. Running Windows in a Mac VM, on a notebook, might work for me. It would buy me some portability and I'd get the Windows licenses for free with VS Pro. Less than ideal, from a cost perspective, but more useful than a Mac Mini, if I can get away with it. Dang! Now I have to Google VM options for Mac. Any suggestions/preferences for best VM solutions on Mac (assuming this is an option)? Probably, I should start a new topic. EDIT: I would have given you two votes up for the knock on the noggin, but was limited to one :) SECOND EDIT: Nope, doesn't make sense for me. I can buy a recent Mac Mini AND a Windows notebook for the about the same price as a recent MacBook. Seemed like a good idea at first, but the economics simply don't make sense.
Eric Lynch wrote:
I can buy a recent Mac Mini AND a Windows notebook for the about the same price as a recent MacBook
This is a personal decision but I've had a few mac minis and the performance is on the wrong side of Really Awful. I'm also trying hard to find a Windows laptop that meets or exceeds what I get in a Macbook and so far nothing. The DELL and the Matebook has the webcams at the bottom of the screen so in conference calls everyone gets a gret view of your nostrils. You also need a shoehorn to open the Dell. The Yoga has those odd hinges that look like they'll scratch anything that comes within a foot of them. The Surface products have no USB-C. The Macbooks just feel so nice and have been unbelievably reliable (previous Windows laptops would last 18 months max). I've tried VMs in macOS and it's just not there yet in terms of performance. I've tried Parallels and VMWare Fusion, and I'd lean more towards VMWare if I had to, but I tend to stick to Bootcamp (and in fact there's nothing stopping you from having both at the same time using the same Windows partition - it's actually kinda nice if perf isn't an issue) The old Macbook Air is still, IMO, the best laptop they've made. The new ones have truly awful keyboards (esp. the arrow keys which I use all the time for programming). Another big knock against the newer Macbooks is that Apple have Thunderbolt initialisation in the OS, whereas Windows expects it to be in the firmware, so you don't get hot swappable Thunderbolt in Bootcamp. This means if you unplug an external monitor from the USB-C port in Bootcamp you need to restart your machine, otherwise your display will quickly start flickering and you'll lose connection.
cheers Chris Maunder
