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  • C Chris Maunder

    So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.

    cheers Chris Maunder

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    CodeWraith
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    Chris Maunder wrote:

    to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables

    USB 3.0 offers only 5V at 500 mA (USB 2.0) to 900 mA (USB 3.0). That's 2,5 W - 4.5 W. That's not very much when it comes to charging batteries. Your battery will most probably need a higher voltage and also a slightly higher current, both which USB can't deliver. Just for comparison: I charge my 5000 mAh batteries with about 25V and 5A (= 125 W) and it still takes an hour. Edit: The battery of a Macbook Pro is rated at 10.9V, 5500 mAh. USB is a little underpowered for that.

    I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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      OriginalGriff wrote:

      defenestrated

      I've been thinking of moving away from windows for a while now... Speaking of typing on a tablet, the iOS thing where it constantly selects random words while you're typing which causes you to type over words or whole sentences is mind boggling.

      cheers Chris Maunder

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      Don't you move away from the window very rapidly when you have been defenestrated?

      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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        Chris Maunder wrote:

        to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables

        USB 3.0 offers only 5V at 500 mA (USB 2.0) to 900 mA (USB 3.0). That's 2,5 W - 4.5 W. That's not very much when it comes to charging batteries. Your battery will most probably need a higher voltage and also a slightly higher current, both which USB can't deliver. Just for comparison: I charge my 5000 mAh batteries with about 25V and 5A (= 125 W) and it still takes an hour. Edit: The battery of a Macbook Pro is rated at 10.9V, 5500 mAh. USB is a little underpowered for that.

        I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        His computer has a USB-C connector. (USB 3.1+) It can transfer a minimum of 60W, and optionally more depending on the cable

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        • C Chris Maunder

          So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.

          cheers Chris Maunder

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          I too wish Apple would narrow the development gap between their iPad and Mac products. I'm playing around with MonoGame and considering an Apple version of my game. Regrettably, as I understand it, I need to purchase a Mac for this task. I wouldn't mind getting an iPad, which would serve other purposes, but I have no other use for a Mac. Oh well...if I can figure out the minimum required Mac, maybe I'll pick up a dinosaur off eBay.

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            I too wish Apple would narrow the development gap between their iPad and Mac products. I'm playing around with MonoGame and considering an Apple version of my game. Regrettably, as I understand it, I need to purchase a Mac for this task. I wouldn't mind getting an iPad, which would serve other purposes, but I have no other use for a Mac. Oh well...if I can figure out the minimum required Mac, maybe I'll pick up a dinosaur off eBay.

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            Or is a hackintosh still an option?

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            • C Chris Maunder

              So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.

              cheers Chris Maunder

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              Joe Woodbury
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              Chris Maunder wrote:

              I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now

              Youngster. I've been waiting 30 years for a laptop that's better than "it didn't suck." BTW, for a basic tablet, I really like the Surface Go.

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              • C Chris Maunder

                So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.

                cheers Chris Maunder

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                Not quite a laptop but ... kaypro portable [^]

                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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                • P PIEBALDconsult

                  Or is a hackintosh still an option?

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                  Eric Lynch
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                  Maybe...not sure. Though, in case I ever decide to throw it onto their App Store, I don't think I want to risk the licensing cops coming after me :) From what I understand, you can pick up a used Mac cheap enough...simply don't want to go through the hassle for a single-purpose (for me) device. Originally, I hoped I could purchase a legit macOS license and run it in a VM...oh well, wishful thinking. I guess I've been spoiled by Android. Simply fire up an emulator for free or purchase a device that is almost free. Sometimes I wonder if Apple is actively discouraging independent developers.

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                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                    I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now

                    Youngster. I've been waiting 30 years for a laptop that's better than "it didn't suck." BTW, for a basic tablet, I really like the Surface Go.

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                    …at least they've gotten better than that stone tablet (and chisel) we used to lug around :)

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                    • E Eric Lynch

                      …at least they've gotten better than that stone tablet (and chisel) we used to lug around :)

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                      You were lucky to have a stone tablet and chisel; we had....

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                        Not quite a laptop but ... kaypro portable [^]

                        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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                        My older brother used one of those for a while (he bought it from a neighbor after I sold my Apple II+ to buy a car.) The first portable computer I used on a non-trivial basis was a Toshiba 3100[^]. It was heavy (16 pounds), but lighter than the Kaypro II (29 pounds).

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                          Maybe...not sure. Though, in case I ever decide to throw it onto their App Store, I don't think I want to risk the licensing cops coming after me :) From what I understand, you can pick up a used Mac cheap enough...simply don't want to go through the hassle for a single-purpose (for me) device. Originally, I hoped I could purchase a legit macOS license and run it in a VM...oh well, wishful thinking. I guess I've been spoiled by Android. Simply fire up an emulator for free or purchase a device that is almost free. Sometimes I wonder if Apple is actively discouraging independent developers.

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          Yeah, I looked into it about fifteen years ago. At the time, I probably would have gone with a Mac mini. But then I found work using C#.

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.

                            cheers Chris Maunder

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                            I'd guess this couldn't be used for the massive scale dev you probably do, but, this might be of interest, Chris: Continuous: Professional C# and F# IDE for the iPad [^]

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                            What's New Version History Jul 12, 2018 Version 1.2 * C# 7 support * Import files from other apps * Support for Reflection * Play button now shows full screen

                            If I had an iPad, I'd check this out: for US$9.99 on the Apple Store.

                            «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.

                              cheers Chris Maunder

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                              ThinkPad X1 Carbon | 6th Gen Business Laptop | Lenovo US[^] Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme | 15.6" laptop with extreme power & portability | Lenovo US[^] Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon 6th generation 2018 with HDR display and Dolby Vision - YouTube[^] Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon 6th Gen (2018) Review - YouTube[^]

                              Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

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                              • C Chris Maunder

                                So I want this[^] to proceed. Please. I've used Macbook Airs for years, then switched to the Macbook Pro and immediately regretted it because the keyboard is beyond awful and I get about 2 hrs battery life (That's from full charge, running only VS, but working steadily). I'd get easily 5-6 on a Macbook Air. I desperately wanted the Surface Pro 6 or Laptop 2 to be great but they stuck with proprietary 1980-style chargers, and for me it's USB-C or nothing. Once you get used to plugging in a single cable for your charging, video, USB and sound it's hard (and regressive) to go back to multiple cables. So given that the iPad Pro is USB-C, is faster than 92% of laptops currently on the market, is crazy thin and light and doesn't require me to remove it from my backpack at airports, I want it as my primary development machines which means I need Visual Studio on it. Please. I've been waiting for the "perfect" laptop for over 20 years now, and I honestly do think it won't happen. We'll move over to using tablets or even phones as our primary device and laptops will go the way of desktop PCs. Maybe Qualcomm will make a Snapdragon chip that can compete with an i7 and then things will get interesting.

                                cheers Chris Maunder

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                                Chris Maunder wrote:

                                laptops will go the way of desktop PCs

                                What, they'll be around forever, because a hand-held device with a touch-screen will never attain the productivity levels of mouse & keyboard use?

                                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                                  laptops will go the way of desktop PCs

                                  What, they'll be around forever, because a hand-held device with a touch-screen will never attain the productivity levels of mouse & keyboard use?

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                  Firstly, If a keyboard and mouse is the pinnacle of human-computer interaction then I'm quitting this industry now. The keyboard and mouse are a stop-gap measure - a long term stop-gap measure - but one that needs to be replaced. Secondly, I'm not suggesting that our current input methods will go. We still need keyboards and mice and big screens. The industry has been moving (for years) towards replacing desktops with laptops, and now laptops with tablets (surface, iPad Pro), and then it'll be foldable phones replacing tablets (eg the phones in Westworld[^]). All of these will, I assume, still allow us to connect to more spacious input and output devices.

                                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    ThinkPad X1 Carbon | 6th Gen Business Laptop | Lenovo US[^] Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme | 15.6" laptop with extreme power & portability | Lenovo US[^] Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon 6th generation 2018 with HDR display and Dolby Vision - YouTube[^] Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon 6th Gen (2018) Review - YouTube[^]

                                    Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

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                                    Chris Maunder
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                                    Just not a fan of them. I've tried to like them, but each time I pick one up and take it for a spin it just doesn't do it for me.

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                      I'd guess this couldn't be used for the massive scale dev you probably do, but, this might be of interest, Chris: Continuous: Professional C# and F# IDE for the iPad [^]

                                      Quote:

                                      What's New Version History Jul 12, 2018 Version 1.2 * C# 7 support * Import files from other apps * Support for Reflection * Play button now shows full screen

                                      If I had an iPad, I'd check this out: for US$9.99 on the Apple Store.

                                      «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                                      Chris Maunder
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                                      Now that is pretty cool! Probably not sufficient for me to move CodeProject development over to it, but we're getting there!

                                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                                        Not quite a laptop but ... kaypro portable [^]

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                                        Chris Maunder
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                                        Yes!! That was the first machine I learned to code on. What a blast from the past.

                                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                                        • E Eric Lynch

                                          I too wish Apple would narrow the development gap between their iPad and Mac products. I'm playing around with MonoGame and considering an Apple version of my game. Regrettably, as I understand it, I need to purchase a Mac for this task. I wouldn't mind getting an iPad, which would serve other purposes, but I have no other use for a Mac. Oh well...if I can figure out the minimum required Mac, maybe I'll pick up a dinosaur off eBay.

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                                          Chris Maunder
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                                          This is actually why I initially bought a Macbook: I wanted to develop occasionally on a Mac but my primary world was Windows. The Mac hardware is beautiful and runs Windows exceptionally well (faster than my desktop at the time, and my desktop was a beast) so I got a great laptop with fast Windows that allowed to develop on a Mac.

                                          cheers Chris Maunder

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