New Linux box advice
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I am running 2 systems that host virtual machines. One is running ESXi from VMware (don't ask) and the other boots to a Debian 12.5 image or a Debian 11.5 (backup system), dual boot. Both systems are Dell Precision workstations, 5820 purchased on eBay. The latest one was less than $400, but no video. Both systems are 64GB Ram and multiple SSD's. Main system has NVME M.2 drives (3). Quiet for me but I am HOH. I have always had great luck on eBay. YMMV. I also host a web site and Plex server on Pi 5's. Just installed the M.2 Hat with 256 GB "drive", Debian 12, gave hdparm of 750+ MB/sec. Hat is $12, drive was about $40. I am a sucker for Pi stuff.
>64 It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
oldfool, I like you. :) engineering wise I love Pi's and I am stunned what they can do.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Hi all, I have an Intel NUC i5 5300 with 16gb RAM and a couple of SSD drives , it runs Debian Linux - I use it mainly for hosting my intranet site and any .NET (what was .NET core ) projects, I also use it to build Armbian images for my plethora of SBC boards. It's starting to show it's age and I would like to replace/supplement it with something newer. The absolute prequisite is that it's quiet and hopefully not too power hungry. Any suggestions peeps ?
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
So, a quick google search says this system is roughly 8 years old. Based on what you have posted, requirements: - quiet - storage - ram The cpu will be much faster by definition, you'll likely double your ram and ssd's have gotten larger and cheaper. So your focus should be on quiet. Go for a lower power cpu (less cooling == quiet). Maybe an NVME ssd? But you may want something else. Other than that, a higher end cooling fan. Don't know what your budget is, but from other comments $800 seems really high.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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$800 seems extremely expensive... then again, looking at piece parts at Home Depot, I'm stunned.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
They're usually around $300. Sometimes about half that.
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Because it's just getting louder and running hotter all the time when not really doing anything stressful
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
Everything is clean inside right? I'd look hard at the cooler, maybe re-do the paste on the cpu with a new cooler fan and see what happens.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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two examples of what I call link bloat It would be so nice if copying a link to pass on could optionally remove everything from the ? forward which I believe is there merely to track us around and prehaps generate advertiser link click money I find it tedious deleting all this off particularly when forwarding on a phone
I probably could have sanitized the links to be honest, but it's fiddly work. :rolleyes:
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Ace Magic...aren't these from some Chinese manufacturer that was caught preloading their systems with spyware a few months back? [Edit] Ah, [yes](https://www.tomshardware.com/desktops/mini-pcs/mini-pc-maker-ships-systems-with-factory-installed-spyware-acemagic-says-issue-was-contained-to-the-first-shipment)...
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Hi all, I have an Intel NUC i5 5300 with 16gb RAM and a couple of SSD drives , it runs Debian Linux - I use it mainly for hosting my intranet site and any .NET (what was .NET core ) projects, I also use it to build Armbian images for my plethora of SBC boards. It's starting to show it's age and I would like to replace/supplement it with something newer. The absolute prequisite is that it's quiet and hopefully not too power hungry. Any suggestions peeps ?
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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On the low end there's this lil guy https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-Desktop-Computer-Support-Ethernet/dp/B0BVLS7ZHP/ref=sr_1_3?c=ts&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dqU0JkMyPhtZ9fy6nAX4K8Y7Xia0s96-RUiZG1yvMk-sGlixBtcBiw_z4gH8k3k07Ijes_JfLUNKsfQOHk3xmQ3MN0UaerdRPErO0TjDFmteL1e0wCswCo2VEX9VR3EKf6OYLx80GpcyvOjeV4vZt3ueAMvc0JRfeSSGy0nad3_oHNRcOpXcgikVqFK7tDaaei83NBz-6kLybWZ8wC9eFsbMvDQl6e3p3PNssGZe5hTqBf6DwO31s4W3cAx4Mrn2Kxp7KVl0NTmk9TRrlkTgABvQpaIxU-a3f1cD1N6Pw4M.b1Joe5Poi3peh8IHjZnoiY9y3sSxoz3_wwb4POTO6GM&dib_tag=se&keywords=Mini%2BComputers&qid=1722370345&refinements=p_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A5446812011&s=pc&sr=1-3&ts_id=13896591011&th=1[^] However, I'd go with something with twice the space of what you need, for TRIM and other reasons so maybe something like this?
honey the codewitch wrote:
However, I'd go with something with twice the space of what you need
A lot of the Beelink systems come with an M.2/NVMe drive, but also have a free standard SATA slot. Even 128GB is a ton of space for the OS and a few apps, and then I just throw in a spare SSD for bulk data. The insides for the Beelinks are very easy to get to.
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Ace Magic...aren't these from some Chinese manufacturer that was caught preloading their systems with spyware a few months back? [Edit] Ah, [yes](https://www.tomshardware.com/desktops/mini-pcs/mini-pc-maker-ships-systems-with-factory-installed-spyware-acemagic-says-issue-was-contained-to-the-first-shipment)...
yes, but like discussed in this message thread. mostly these will be wiped completely clean and afresh install of some Linux variant will be installed. So that should not be an issue for most people here.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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honey the codewitch wrote:
However, I'd go with something with twice the space of what you need
A lot of the Beelink systems come with an M.2/NVMe drive, but also have a free standard SATA slot. Even 128GB is a ton of space for the OS and a few apps, and then I just throw in a spare SSD for bulk data. The insides for the Beelinks are very easy to get to.
I did not that, and I would have assumed otherwise. Good deal.
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I probably could have sanitized the links to be honest, but it's fiddly work. :rolleyes:
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Huh?? Marking from the question mark to the end of the URL and pressing the Del key is 'fiddly work'??
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
Bothering to look at the url long enough to figure out which parts of the query string are required and which aren't. I couldn't be bothered. Too fiddly. YMMV.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Everything is clean inside right? I'd look hard at the cooler, maybe re-do the paste on the cpu with a new cooler fan and see what happens.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I have a Lenovo ThinkCentre M910q i5-6500T. 32GB of ram and 1TB NVMe in it. Quiet, small and not very power hungry.I have Arch installed on it and it runs beautifully.
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From what I've read Charlie it's a common fault with ageing NUCs
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
I believe you. the small units are very focused. Still, if you get 10 years out of a system... In my heavy development days, after my laptop hit 3 years, I would start shopping. For my non laptop systems, I build them myself. I know exactly what is going into them. I'm looking at my Ryzen 9 machine that is thundering along after 5 years. The goal was to have sufficient horsepower to run multiple VMs. Eventually I'll get to all VMs.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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yes, but like discussed in this message thread. mostly these will be wiped completely clean and afresh install of some Linux variant will be installed. So that should not be an issue for most people here.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
Even if you replace the hard drive altogether, there's still the firmware. And even if you flash the firmware, you can't trust any newer version if it's from the same guys. Unlike a router, I've never heard of alternate/third-party firmware for a computer. Heck, you can brick a system from a trusted manufacturer if you get firmware for a system from the same company, but get the model wrong.
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I did not that, and I would have assumed otherwise. Good deal.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
Absolutely. As mentioned, I have a few of them. There are instances where I picked a model with a smaller/cheaper drive, but just replaced/complemented it with a spare I already had. Likewise with RAM, I've got systems I intentionally bought with less memory than offered as I replaced it anyway with a separate 64GB kit. Right now I have more spare 8/16GB DDR4 sticks than I'll never need...
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From what I've read Charlie it's a common fault with ageing NUCs
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
pkfox wrote:
it's a common fault with ageing NUCs
That's certainly been my experience, and IMO is the untold reason Intel exited the NUC market - thermal management has always been a problem for Intel, and packing that much hardware in a tiny enclosure isn't something they can do while also providing something that'll last. I still can barely hear the fan in my oldest Beelink even if I stick my ear right on it. When both of my NUCs were near the end of their respective lives, I could hear their fan 24/7 at a distance. I did blow dust out of them regularly with compressed air.
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pkfox wrote:
it's a common fault with ageing NUCs
That's certainly been my experience, and IMO is the untold reason Intel exited the NUC market - thermal management has always been a problem for Intel, and packing that much hardware in a tiny enclosure isn't something they can do while also providing something that'll last. I still can barely hear the fan in my oldest Beelink even if I stick my ear right on it. When both of my NUCs were near the end of their respective lives, I could hear their fan 24/7 at a distance. I did blow dust out of them regularly with compressed air.
I received my new box today and have spent most of the day installing stuff and so far its excellent
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I received my new box today and have spent most of the day installing stuff and so far its excellent
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
Sweet :-) I love these little boxes. People keep their computers these days for a lot longer than they used to, but every time someone comes to me and asks for recommendations, this is where I start. I have a relative who had to deal with a dead computer in his small carwash business. The Beelink I recommended blew his mind, to the point where - even though there was no problem with it and he's not a computer guy - he bought a second one to replace the old tower he was using at home.
