I Just Tried Firefox
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Hmm, with all the talk and praise about Mozilla Firefox I thought I would give it a try... First impression: What a shitty browser, and most websites look like crap when viewed with it, including codeproject X| Well, it might do some things better than IE (wonder what things) but as long as it renders pages the way it do, I wont waste any more time with it for now... Lets hope it get better in time... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
I don't usually get dragged into flamewars about OS or browsers. But, I want to add a few things here. My first impression when I used Firebird was the same as yours. But then, I was used to IE. After using Firebird for a month, I can't switch back, because I am used to Firefox now, and it works on Linux and FreeBSD machines too. There are quirks. I don't care about having to refresh a page once in a while (The problem that Tom mentioned exists). As you said, you like IE, I like Firefox. It is a matter of personal choices, isn't it? But, when I hear stuff like "Why can't it be better than IE?". It may be, if everyone stops reading MSDN for HTML and CSS reference, and if most developers stopped writing code as if IE was the only browser around. Maybe, some spare cash from sales of two blockbuster products might help too. Personally, I appreciate the effort that these guys put in. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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See?! See?! I'm not seeing things!!! :) Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
You are not imagining things! :) I had this problem. Delving deeper into this problem, I found that there is a value for rendering timeout, ie, a time when the browser starts rendering pages. If the site is slower to send the pages than the rendering timeout, it seems that the page might not show up correctly. I think this is the problem because the problem was aggravated, when I reduced this timeout to force display sooner than the default. Maybe, it will get fixed in the next release. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Anders Molin wrote: First impression: What a shitty browser THANK YOU!!!!!!! Freakin' FireFox produces nothing but heisenbugs with my site. 1. My site comes up with all the tables scrambled. 2. I refersh the "browser" 3. Voila! Site looks great. Sorry, but either the HTML is correct or its not. I should get the same results every time I see the same unmodified page. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
I get the problem with Mozilla 1.6. It looks like the browser is rendering the body of the page at about twice the actual width of the browser. Cutting off off the body of the page and making the left nav bar take up 50% of the page. It occurs about 75% of the times that I load the page. If you do a lot of HTML work, you get used to working around this stuff in both IE and Mozilla. I had a very similar problem in IE that was caused by setting nowrap in a table cell on the other side of the page, go figure. I downloaded the page and ran some of the cleanup options in Dreamweaver 2004 and it looks like it fixed it.
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I don't usually get dragged into flamewars about OS or browsers. But, I want to add a few things here. My first impression when I used Firebird was the same as yours. But then, I was used to IE. After using Firebird for a month, I can't switch back, because I am used to Firefox now, and it works on Linux and FreeBSD machines too. There are quirks. I don't care about having to refresh a page once in a while (The problem that Tom mentioned exists). As you said, you like IE, I like Firefox. It is a matter of personal choices, isn't it? But, when I hear stuff like "Why can't it be better than IE?". It may be, if everyone stops reading MSDN for HTML and CSS reference, and if most developers stopped writing code as if IE was the only browser around. Maybe, some spare cash from sales of two blockbuster products might help too. Personally, I appreciate the effort that these guys put in. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
I've been won over to Mozilla/FireFox too. Do you know a good reference for HTML/CSS in Mozilla. I've only used MSDN for years, and the stuff on Netscape's site is poorly designed.
If you don't kill me you will only make me stronger That and a cup of coffee will get you 2 cups of coffee
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Hmm, with all the talk and praise about Mozilla Firefox I thought I would give it a try... First impression: What a shitty browser, and most websites look like crap when viewed with it, including codeproject X| Well, it might do some things better than IE (wonder what things) but as long as it renders pages the way it do, I wont waste any more time with it for now... Lets hope it get better in time... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
Opera is the best browser ! www.opera.com
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Anders Molin wrote: That might be, but when things look like crap in it, I really don't care I know what you mean. IE is much more tolerant of pages that don't exactly follow the standards. In fact the Halifax web site (which is where I do my share dealing) goes nut in FireFox. And the Royal Bank of Scotland web site will work with FireFox until you try and log into your accounts then it says that they only trust Netscape and Navigator and won't permit access for "security" reasons.
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I am compelled to correct your erroneous statement; IE does not handle invalid pages better than FireFox. It is that Halifax and co. have coded their websites to work best in IE. They have targeted IE, IE has not targeted them. End result may be the same for the user but as I said I am compelled to inform you of what is really going on :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Paul Selormey wrote: So, why not just state this instead of the making statements like "What a shitty browser, and most websites look like crap when viewed with it, including codeproject"? Because many pages look like crap. Some look ok, but many other looks totally wrong. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
A list of sites that look terrible would help convince me that the browser I use every single day is crap. I must be blind. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Something we can agree on in web-dev :-D Took awhile but I have got my web-dev team to develop for the best browser first and then fix for the lesser browsers. At the moment that means FireFox and then fixing for IE6. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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I am compelled to correct your erroneous statement; IE does not handle invalid pages better than FireFox. It is that Halifax and co. have coded their websites to work best in IE. They have targeted IE, IE has not targeted them. End result may be the same for the user but as I said I am compelled to inform you of what is really going on :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Paul Watson wrote: End result may be the same for the user but as I said I am compelled to inform you of what is really going on ...and I am compelled to agree with you. ;P Many sites including CodeProject have IE specific support. Mozilla will have to support the IE specific stuff to avoid the noise. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Unfortunately ppl want to run it like it's release code and complain when the site doesn't display correctly. Why oh why do we need yet another browser to worry about? Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
Because Internet Explorer 7 will never be released. Future IE "versions" are locked into future Windows operating systems. We need choice. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Opera is the best browser ! www.opera.com
No, Opera sucks. It has issues with CSS as well as my own site. It does not like my site, which upsets me very much. I didn't even use any complicated code, basic HTML, and it looked fine on IE and Konquorer. But I've known WebDevs who test out their pages on other broswers. My one buddy had tested his own page that used CSS on Opera and he couldn't get it to work. Even though he uses Mozilla himself, he actually tells people they're better off with IE than Opera.
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I've been won over to Mozilla/FireFox too. Do you know a good reference for HTML/CSS in Mozilla. I've only used MSDN for years, and the stuff on Netscape's site is poorly designed.
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w3c.org is a good reference. I am serious, FireBird gets most of it dead on. Otherwise join the css-discuss list to learn a lot. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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No, Opera sucks. It has issues with CSS as well as my own site. It does not like my site, which upsets me very much. I didn't even use any complicated code, basic HTML, and it looked fine on IE and Konquorer. But I've known WebDevs who test out their pages on other broswers. My one buddy had tested his own page that used CSS on Opera and he couldn't get it to work. Even though he uses Mozilla himself, he actually tells people they're better off with IE than Opera.
Who am I? Currently: A Programming Student trying to survive school with plan to go on to Univeristy of Advancing Technology to study game design. Main career interest include: Multimedia and game programming. Working on an outside project: A game for the GamePark32 (GP32) portable gaming console. My website: www.GP32US.com
There is a lot wrong with the code in your website. Would you expect
int i = 0; int y = i / i;to work in C#? Same thing with web-dev. You need to code properly, with skill and dedication to the syntax. For too long we have been lulled into half-arsed web-code because the browsers have been forgiving. Now they are getting serious and we have to as well. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says... -
Hmm, with all the talk and praise about Mozilla Firefox I thought I would give it a try... First impression: What a shitty browser, and most websites look like crap when viewed with it, including codeproject X| Well, it might do some things better than IE (wonder what things) but as long as it renders pages the way it do, I wont waste any more time with it for now... Lets hope it get better in time... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
I just want to say I find it perplexing how hardcore C++ programmers who understand the need for standardisation in C++ don't understand the need for standardisation in web-development (HTML, CSS, DOM etc.) If web-sites were C++ apps, 80% of them would fail to compile, never mind avoiding runtime errors. And Anders, if you don't like FireFox, you don't have to use it. Nobody said you had to. I find it to be a very good browser. You don't. No biggy. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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There is a lot wrong with the code in your website. Would you expect
int i = 0; int y = i / i;to work in C#? Same thing with web-dev. You need to code properly, with skill and dedication to the syntax. For too long we have been lulled into half-arsed web-code because the browsers have been forgiving. Now they are getting serious and we have to as well. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...There's a difference between function/calculation coding of C++ and the visual formatting code of HTML. I did my page in HTML in notepad. It worked fine for the longest time in IE. I coded it because of how it worked in IE, I made it to work in IE. I guess mainly for the purpose that most people in the US use IE as their browsers anyways.
Who am I? Currently: A Programming Student trying to survive school with plan to go on to Univeristy of Advancing Technology to study game design. Main career interest include: Multimedia and game programming. Working on an outside project: A game for the GamePark32 (GP32) portable gaming console. My website: www.GP32US.com
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Hmm, with all the talk and praise about Mozilla Firefox I thought I would give it a try... First impression: What a shitty browser, and most websites look like crap when viewed with it, including codeproject X| Well, it might do some things better than IE (wonder what things) but as long as it renders pages the way it do, I wont waste any more time with it for now... Lets hope it get better in time... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
I prefer CrazyBrowser...although it doesn't support third party toolbars, it meets just about every other need I have. I particularly like the "Groups" feature (which MyIE2 has as well I think). Incidentally, I've also got Netscape 7.1, Mozilla 1.6 (?), Firefox and Opera installed on my laptop...and apart from compatibility testing, I rarely use any of them - or IE. That says something I guess! The Netscape/Mozilla browsers in particular seem to have problems with tables - they end up showing way too much space between cells. A lot of sites (including my own) look less than optimal as a result. Opera is just awful. Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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l a u r e n wrote: ForumThe Lounge Subject:Re: I Just Tried Firefox Sender:l a u r e n Date:17:52 28 Apr '04 yah its tedious when it sticks to the "standard" so much but its good for testing a site to be compliant ive found if it works in firefox it works in ie the reverse is so not true Well there's my reason to stick with IE......
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There's really not much different between the 2 browsers. It's mostly in the DHTML/javascript area which is why they haven't bothered to make the edit features work in FireFox. If it was just plain firefox I probably wouldn't use it, but the addins found here have made all the difference. Since I do a lot of web development, I use the development shortcut tool bar. Also, I'm addicted to gestures. It took a while to get used to them, but they are so much easier and faster then buttons or context menus. Also, the tabbed browsing thing is cool. I use that quite a bit. Though, I have to admit, that I do have to use the open in IE shortcut more often then I like. Also, since I've done web development for a while, I tend to look at sites that have poor cross browser as a weakness of the site rather then the browser.
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The more non-HTML baggage you add to a web site, the less likely it is to work anywhere except IE (of course, you probably already know this). There are a few sites I've visited that are related to my sim-racing hobby that weren't firefox-freindly, and when I notify the webmasters about problems, they usually try to fix them. I personally don't use anything that isn't html on my own web pages because I haven't found any need for it. ------- sig starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- sig ends
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Hmm, with all the talk and praise about Mozilla Firefox I thought I would give it a try... First impression: What a shitty browser, and most websites look like crap when viewed with it, including codeproject X| Well, it might do some things better than IE (wonder what things) but as long as it renders pages the way it do, I wont waste any more time with it for now... Lets hope it get better in time... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
CP works fine in FireFox (I'm using it right now, as a matter of fact). Visually, there are no discernible differences between using IE and FireFox on most web sites. ------- sig starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- sig ends
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Paul Selormey wrote: True, the poster seems to have a problem, and I do not know why he attributed it to Firefox! Please Paul X| I attribute it to Firefox because it looks fine in IE and not Firefox... But maybe I downloaded a bad copy? :laugh: - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
Anders Molin wrote: But maybe I downloaded a bad copy LMAO!!! :laugh: Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
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