I Just Tried Firefox
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Tom Archer wrote: Unfortunately ppl want to run it like it's release code and complain when the site doesn't display correctly. People want to complain about everything. Just look at the posts in this thread complaining about me posting bad things about Firefox. Tom Archer wrote: Why oh why do we need yet another browser to worry about? Hehe, I'm happy that I don't do much web development. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
The only problem I have with web development is that there's too much mystery too it. Sort of like VB in that it does so much for you that when something doesn't work you don't seem to have a lot of control to find out what's going awry. I give the web guys/girls all the credit in the world. It's no easy task. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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Keep to the thread. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Yes mister police officer, and same to you, - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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Anders Molin wrote: Look who's talking Please you and Lauren should keep this thread to Firefox, nothing further. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Did you notice the smiley? this one: ;P Well, please stop keep padding lauren on the bag, telling stuff like "not below the belt", and at the same time tell me to stop. Lauren is old enough to speak for her self, ok? - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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The only problem I have with web development is that there's too much mystery too it. Sort of like VB in that it does so much for you that when something doesn't work you don't seem to have a lot of control to find out what's going awry. I give the web guys/girls all the credit in the world. It's no easy task. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
WHen I have problems like that with web-stuff, I ask a friend of mine. He is an extreemly good web-developer, and fortunately he answars my stupid questions ;) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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Did you notice the smiley? this one: ;P Well, please stop keep padding lauren on the bag, telling stuff like "not below the belt", and at the same time tell me to stop. Lauren is old enough to speak for her self, ok? - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
Anders Molin wrote: Lauren is old enough to speak for her self, ok? I know, it has nothing to do with age. May be, I misunderstood where both of you seems to be heading - sorry. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Hmm, with all the talk and praise about Mozilla Firefox I thought I would give it a try... First impression: What a shitty browser, and most websites look like crap when viewed with it, including codeproject X| Well, it might do some things better than IE (wonder what things) but as long as it renders pages the way it do, I wont waste any more time with it for now... Lets hope it get better in time... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
I don't usually get dragged into flamewars about OS or browsers. But, I want to add a few things here. My first impression when I used Firebird was the same as yours. But then, I was used to IE. After using Firebird for a month, I can't switch back, because I am used to Firefox now, and it works on Linux and FreeBSD machines too. There are quirks. I don't care about having to refresh a page once in a while (The problem that Tom mentioned exists). As you said, you like IE, I like Firefox. It is a matter of personal choices, isn't it? But, when I hear stuff like "Why can't it be better than IE?". It may be, if everyone stops reading MSDN for HTML and CSS reference, and if most developers stopped writing code as if IE was the only browser around. Maybe, some spare cash from sales of two blockbuster products might help too. Personally, I appreciate the effort that these guys put in. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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See?! See?! I'm not seeing things!!! :) Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
You are not imagining things! :) I had this problem. Delving deeper into this problem, I found that there is a value for rendering timeout, ie, a time when the browser starts rendering pages. If the site is slower to send the pages than the rendering timeout, it seems that the page might not show up correctly. I think this is the problem because the problem was aggravated, when I reduced this timeout to force display sooner than the default. Maybe, it will get fixed in the next release. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Anders Molin wrote: First impression: What a shitty browser THANK YOU!!!!!!! Freakin' FireFox produces nothing but heisenbugs with my site. 1. My site comes up with all the tables scrambled. 2. I refersh the "browser" 3. Voila! Site looks great. Sorry, but either the HTML is correct or its not. I should get the same results every time I see the same unmodified page. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
I get the problem with Mozilla 1.6. It looks like the browser is rendering the body of the page at about twice the actual width of the browser. Cutting off off the body of the page and making the left nav bar take up 50% of the page. It occurs about 75% of the times that I load the page. If you do a lot of HTML work, you get used to working around this stuff in both IE and Mozilla. I had a very similar problem in IE that was caused by setting nowrap in a table cell on the other side of the page, go figure. I downloaded the page and ran some of the cleanup options in Dreamweaver 2004 and it looks like it fixed it.
If you don't kill me you will only make me stronger That and a cup of coffee will get you 2 cups of coffee
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I don't usually get dragged into flamewars about OS or browsers. But, I want to add a few things here. My first impression when I used Firebird was the same as yours. But then, I was used to IE. After using Firebird for a month, I can't switch back, because I am used to Firefox now, and it works on Linux and FreeBSD machines too. There are quirks. I don't care about having to refresh a page once in a while (The problem that Tom mentioned exists). As you said, you like IE, I like Firefox. It is a matter of personal choices, isn't it? But, when I hear stuff like "Why can't it be better than IE?". It may be, if everyone stops reading MSDN for HTML and CSS reference, and if most developers stopped writing code as if IE was the only browser around. Maybe, some spare cash from sales of two blockbuster products might help too. Personally, I appreciate the effort that these guys put in. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
I've been won over to Mozilla/FireFox too. Do you know a good reference for HTML/CSS in Mozilla. I've only used MSDN for years, and the stuff on Netscape's site is poorly designed.
If you don't kill me you will only make me stronger That and a cup of coffee will get you 2 cups of coffee
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Hmm, with all the talk and praise about Mozilla Firefox I thought I would give it a try... First impression: What a shitty browser, and most websites look like crap when viewed with it, including codeproject X| Well, it might do some things better than IE (wonder what things) but as long as it renders pages the way it do, I wont waste any more time with it for now... Lets hope it get better in time... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
Opera is the best browser ! www.opera.com
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Anders Molin wrote: That might be, but when things look like crap in it, I really don't care I know what you mean. IE is much more tolerant of pages that don't exactly follow the standards. In fact the Halifax web site (which is where I do my share dealing) goes nut in FireFox. And the Royal Bank of Scotland web site will work with FireFox until you try and log into your accounts then it says that they only trust Netscape and Navigator and won't permit access for "security" reasons.
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I am compelled to correct your erroneous statement; IE does not handle invalid pages better than FireFox. It is that Halifax and co. have coded their websites to work best in IE. They have targeted IE, IE has not targeted them. End result may be the same for the user but as I said I am compelled to inform you of what is really going on :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Paul Selormey wrote: So, why not just state this instead of the making statements like "What a shitty browser, and most websites look like crap when viewed with it, including codeproject"? Because many pages look like crap. Some look ok, but many other looks totally wrong. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
A list of sites that look terrible would help convince me that the browser I use every single day is crap. I must be blind. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Something we can agree on in web-dev :-D Took awhile but I have got my web-dev team to develop for the best browser first and then fix for the lesser browsers. At the moment that means FireFox and then fixing for IE6. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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I am compelled to correct your erroneous statement; IE does not handle invalid pages better than FireFox. It is that Halifax and co. have coded their websites to work best in IE. They have targeted IE, IE has not targeted them. End result may be the same for the user but as I said I am compelled to inform you of what is really going on :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Paul Watson wrote: End result may be the same for the user but as I said I am compelled to inform you of what is really going on ...and I am compelled to agree with you. ;P Many sites including CodeProject have IE specific support. Mozilla will have to support the IE specific stuff to avoid the noise. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Unfortunately ppl want to run it like it's release code and complain when the site doesn't display correctly. Why oh why do we need yet another browser to worry about? Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
Because Internet Explorer 7 will never be released. Future IE "versions" are locked into future Windows operating systems. We need choice. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Opera is the best browser ! www.opera.com
No, Opera sucks. It has issues with CSS as well as my own site. It does not like my site, which upsets me very much. I didn't even use any complicated code, basic HTML, and it looked fine on IE and Konquorer. But I've known WebDevs who test out their pages on other broswers. My one buddy had tested his own page that used CSS on Opera and he couldn't get it to work. Even though he uses Mozilla himself, he actually tells people they're better off with IE than Opera.
Who am I? Currently: A Programming Student trying to survive school with plan to go on to Univeristy of Advancing Technology to study game design. Main career interest include: Multimedia and game programming. Working on an outside project: A game for the GamePark32 (GP32) portable gaming console. My website: www.GP32US.com
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I've been won over to Mozilla/FireFox too. Do you know a good reference for HTML/CSS in Mozilla. I've only used MSDN for years, and the stuff on Netscape's site is poorly designed.
If you don't kill me you will only make me stronger That and a cup of coffee will get you 2 cups of coffee
w3c.org is a good reference. I am serious, FireBird gets most of it dead on. Otherwise join the css-discuss list to learn a lot. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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No, Opera sucks. It has issues with CSS as well as my own site. It does not like my site, which upsets me very much. I didn't even use any complicated code, basic HTML, and it looked fine on IE and Konquorer. But I've known WebDevs who test out their pages on other broswers. My one buddy had tested his own page that used CSS on Opera and he couldn't get it to work. Even though he uses Mozilla himself, he actually tells people they're better off with IE than Opera.
Who am I? Currently: A Programming Student trying to survive school with plan to go on to Univeristy of Advancing Technology to study game design. Main career interest include: Multimedia and game programming. Working on an outside project: A game for the GamePark32 (GP32) portable gaming console. My website: www.GP32US.com
There is a lot wrong with the code in your website. Would you expect
int i = 0; int y = i / i;to work in C#? Same thing with web-dev. You need to code properly, with skill and dedication to the syntax. For too long we have been lulled into half-arsed web-code because the browsers have been forgiving. Now they are getting serious and we have to as well. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says... -
Hmm, with all the talk and praise about Mozilla Firefox I thought I would give it a try... First impression: What a shitty browser, and most websites look like crap when viewed with it, including codeproject X| Well, it might do some things better than IE (wonder what things) but as long as it renders pages the way it do, I wont waste any more time with it for now... Lets hope it get better in time... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
I just want to say I find it perplexing how hardcore C++ programmers who understand the need for standardisation in C++ don't understand the need for standardisation in web-development (HTML, CSS, DOM etc.) If web-sites were C++ apps, 80% of them would fail to compile, never mind avoiding runtime errors. And Anders, if you don't like FireFox, you don't have to use it. Nobody said you had to. I find it to be a very good browser. You don't. No biggy. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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There is a lot wrong with the code in your website. Would you expect
int i = 0; int y = i / i;to work in C#? Same thing with web-dev. You need to code properly, with skill and dedication to the syntax. For too long we have been lulled into half-arsed web-code because the browsers have been forgiving. Now they are getting serious and we have to as well. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...There's a difference between function/calculation coding of C++ and the visual formatting code of HTML. I did my page in HTML in notepad. It worked fine for the longest time in IE. I coded it because of how it worked in IE, I made it to work in IE. I guess mainly for the purpose that most people in the US use IE as their browsers anyways.
Who am I? Currently: A Programming Student trying to survive school with plan to go on to Univeristy of Advancing Technology to study game design. Main career interest include: Multimedia and game programming. Working on an outside project: A game for the GamePark32 (GP32) portable gaming console. My website: www.GP32US.com