Apps you cannot do without
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Paul Watson wrote: Me no comprendai C++, me do ASP. Me no want C++. C++ not the future... :omg: and ASP is the future, how niave of you ;P Come on Paul, lets wait until .NET is released before we can speculate on what the future holds. The best growths in the computer industries and Graphics Hardware and 3D programming, so it looks like ASP is *not* the future. ;) Maybe you should learn OpenGL or DirectX (yuk!) Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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Having just helped install a new PC for a friend and having to suggest various apps that I think she needs I thought it would be interesting to ask the experts what they find essential. Here is my list of apps that I cannot do without: - Macromedia Fireworks - Jasc Paint Shop Pro - WinZip - MS Outlook - MS Word - MS Visio - Visual Interdev - SQL Enterprise Manager - CuteFTP - ICQ - Sonork - Acrobat - MS Internet Explorer - Netscape - Notepad (so handy!) - Terminal Services Seeing as most of my development is ASP, HTML and JavaScript I don't need much in the way of debugging tools or compilers. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
OK, we have covered a lot of the basics. Here are several I have not seen listed. Editor - PFE Unistall - Remove4Good - Gets rid of entries of programs that are already gone and whose names were left (Thanks to install shield failing if the user moved the menu.) Screen Capture - Hypersnap System info - Tweaking Tool Box for Windows. Michael A. Barnhart mabtech@swbell.net
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Norm Almond wrote: and ASP is the future, how niave of you I definitley do not think ASP is the future either. I still don't think though that C++ is either. Speculation is exactly that, so I shall speculate that .NET is the future, especially the ASP.NET component. ASP.NET is out of this world. 3d programming in business apps? Oh sure, they will go for that X| Norm Almond wrote: Maybe you should learn OpenGL or DirectX While I am at it I will also have root canal and an anal probe ;P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
ROFLOL :-D Nice one, seriously though if we knew what the future held, we'd be Millionaires. Different tools for different jobs, you could'nt write a Word processor in ASP and I couldn't write a e-commerce application in C++. Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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OK, we have covered a lot of the basics. Here are several I have not seen listed. Editor - PFE Unistall - Remove4Good - Gets rid of entries of programs that are already gone and whose names were left (Thanks to install shield failing if the user moved the menu.) Screen Capture - Hypersnap System info - Tweaking Tool Box for Windows. Michael A. Barnhart mabtech@swbell.net
Michael.A.Barnhart wrote: Unistall - Remove4Good - Gets rid of entries of programs that are already gone and whose names were left (Thanks to install shield failing if the user moved the menu.) Does that programme actually work? I have heard claims but never really tested them out. Also does anyone not change the start menu structure? I know I put my apps into a very different menu structure to the default. It confuses uninstall apps like hell though. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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ROFLOL :-D Nice one, seriously though if we knew what the future held, we'd be Millionaires. Different tools for different jobs, you could'nt write a Word processor in ASP and I couldn't write a e-commerce application in C++. Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
Norm Almond wrote: Different tools for different jobs, you could'nt write a Word processor in ASP and I couldn't write a e-commerce application in C++. I knew a guy who wrote all the back-end processing for an e-commerce application in C++. It was pretty good and very fast. The front-end was all ASP and HTML of course. Also our web content management system has a Word like content editing application with spell checking, full formatting, importing, exporting etc. Much like using Word, only not as infuriating. It is written all in ASP with XML/XSL and a SQL back-end. Of course it uses a VB COM component for the hard stuff but you would be amazed what you can do with Internet Explorer, DHTML and a COM component. You can make a very good UI in a web browser and the COM component does all the data crunching bits. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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you should never dismiss what you don't comprendai :rose: Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
Norm Almond wrote: you should never dismiss what you don't comprendai touche, touche! :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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Having just helped install a new PC for a friend and having to suggest various apps that I think she needs I thought it would be interesting to ask the experts what they find essential. Here is my list of apps that I cannot do without: - Macromedia Fireworks - Jasc Paint Shop Pro - WinZip - MS Outlook - MS Word - MS Visio - Visual Interdev - SQL Enterprise Manager - CuteFTP - ICQ - Sonork - Acrobat - MS Internet Explorer - Netscape - Notepad (so handy!) - Terminal Services Seeing as most of my development is ASP, HTML and JavaScript I don't need much in the way of debugging tools or compilers. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
My taskmanager list: - C# - Delphi 5 - VB 6.0 - IE (times 10) 6.0 - Opera --- only 'cause its easier to ALT-TAB out of than IE :omg: ;) - Visual N++ - MSSQL ent. man. 2000 - VSS - BulletProof FTP - MS Messenger and the Boss-screen of all boss-screens: - VC++ 6.0 Simon "...Bill is watching..." "An Object Is Simply A Referenced Thingy" ... Programming Perl, by Larry Wall
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Norm Almond wrote: Different tools for different jobs, you could'nt write a Word processor in ASP and I couldn't write a e-commerce application in C++. I knew a guy who wrote all the back-end processing for an e-commerce application in C++. It was pretty good and very fast. The front-end was all ASP and HTML of course. Also our web content management system has a Word like content editing application with spell checking, full formatting, importing, exporting etc. Much like using Word, only not as infuriating. It is written all in ASP with XML/XSL and a SQL back-end. Of course it uses a VB COM component for the hard stuff but you would be amazed what you can do with Internet Explorer, DHTML and a COM component. You can make a very good UI in a web browser and the COM component does all the data crunching bits. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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My taskmanager list: - C# - Delphi 5 - VB 6.0 - IE (times 10) 6.0 - Opera --- only 'cause its easier to ALT-TAB out of than IE :omg: ;) - Visual N++ - MSSQL ent. man. 2000 - VSS - BulletProof FTP - MS Messenger and the Boss-screen of all boss-screens: - VC++ 6.0 Simon "...Bill is watching..." "An Object Is Simply A Referenced Thingy" ... Programming Perl, by Larry Wall
simons wrote: - Opera --- only 'cause its easier to ALT-TAB out of than IE Yeah I am sure bosses would be irritated seeing their employees on CP all day... oh wait... :omg: you are not referring to alt-tabbing out of CP are you! :omg: you mean porn! :omg: ;P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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So your saying the *hard* UI bits are done in COM objects, I was thinking about ActiveX web components the other day, surely you limiting your audience relying on COM objects. :confused: Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
Norm Almond wrote: So your saying the *hard* UI bits are done in COM objects, I was thinking about ActiveX web components the other day, surely you limiting your audience relying on COM objects No, no, no UI in COM components. We use the COM components for the number crunching stuff and all the heavy server side processing etc. We avoid ActiveX as much as possible as it is a pain in the arse and does not offer much. You can do amazing things with DHTML. Also the CMS solution is targeted at the people who run and provide content for a website. It then pumps out cross-browser compatible code based on templates etc. So the CMS editor etc. can be targeted for Internet Explorer while the website itself remains cross-browser. Targeting CMS for IE lets us focus on very good UIs. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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simons wrote: - Opera --- only 'cause its easier to ALT-TAB out of than IE Yeah I am sure bosses would be irritated seeing their employees on CP all day... oh wait... :omg: you are not referring to alt-tabbing out of CP are you! :omg: you mean porn! :omg: ;P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Paul Watson wrote: you mean porn! Porn is bad, M'kay. Just back from Sandton City and have done my perv'ing for the week... ;P ;) :laugh: :laugh: Why not take a trip to Blouberg on Sat. and do the same, Paul. :laugh: and don't forget to post the pics on your blog. Simon "...Bill is watching..." "An Object Is Simply A Referenced Thingy" ... Programming Perl, by Larry Wall
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Norm Almond wrote: So your saying the *hard* UI bits are done in COM objects, I was thinking about ActiveX web components the other day, surely you limiting your audience relying on COM objects No, no, no UI in COM components. We use the COM components for the number crunching stuff and all the heavy server side processing etc. We avoid ActiveX as much as possible as it is a pain in the arse and does not offer much. You can do amazing things with DHTML. Also the CMS solution is targeted at the people who run and provide content for a website. It then pumps out cross-browser compatible code based on templates etc. So the CMS editor etc. can be targeted for Internet Explorer while the website itself remains cross-browser. Targeting CMS for IE lets us focus on very good UIs. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Yeah, I see, sounds fun, I'm into cool UI, we'tr just developing a Airport Stand Allocation system, this *has* to be done in C++ lots on heavy customized UI drag 'n' drop etc, worst bit is that I use ADO to talk to ORACLE (yuk!) X|, only wish we would use SQL Server. Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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Yeah, I see, sounds fun, I'm into cool UI, we'tr just developing a Airport Stand Allocation system, this *has* to be done in C++ lots on heavy customized UI drag 'n' drop etc, worst bit is that I use ADO to talk to ORACLE (yuk!) X|, only wish we would use SQL Server. Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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Paul Watson wrote: you mean porn! Porn is bad, M'kay. Just back from Sandton City and have done my perv'ing for the week... ;P ;) :laugh: :laugh: Why not take a trip to Blouberg on Sat. and do the same, Paul. :laugh: and don't forget to post the pics on your blog. Simon "...Bill is watching..." "An Object Is Simply A Referenced Thingy" ... Programming Perl, by Larry Wall
simons wrote: Just back from Sandton City and have done my perv'ing for the week :laugh: A friend just moved to Jo'Burg and she says the highlight of Jo'Burg is either trolling through Sandton or going to the "beach" at the Randburg Waterfront. Poor Gautengers ;P simons wrote: Why not take a trip to Blouberg on Sat. and do the same, Paul LOL, well Camps Bay or Fourth Beach are better bets for that kind of thing :-D simons wrote: to post the pics on your blog. LOL someone actually visited it? wOOt! hehe regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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Having just helped install a new PC for a friend and having to suggest various apps that I think she needs I thought it would be interesting to ask the experts what they find essential. Here is my list of apps that I cannot do without: - Macromedia Fireworks - Jasc Paint Shop Pro - WinZip - MS Outlook - MS Word - MS Visio - Visual Interdev - SQL Enterprise Manager - CuteFTP - ICQ - Sonork - Acrobat - MS Internet Explorer - Netscape - Notepad (so handy!) - Terminal Services Seeing as most of my development is ASP, HTML and JavaScript I don't need much in the way of debugging tools or compilers. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Here is my list: Of course... MS Windows (in my case XP Pro) and... IE 6.0 Visual Studio 6.0 Visual Studio 1.52c Visual Studio .NET (Beta) Macromedia Director Macromedia Flash Macromedia Fontographer Paint Shop Pro 7.0 MS Office XP (with Outlook) AOL IM Windows Messenger McAfee VirusScan Boxer Text Editor Brigg Thorp Software Engineer Timex Corporation
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Michael.A.Barnhart wrote: Unistall - Remove4Good - Gets rid of entries of programs that are already gone and whose names were left (Thanks to install shield failing if the user moved the menu.) Does that programme actually work? I have heard claims but never really tested them out. Also does anyone not change the start menu structure? I know I put my apps into a very different menu structure to the default. It confuses uninstall apps like hell though. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Remove4Good has worked 99% of the time for me. That is mostly on NT4 and WinME. I am sure you can find some exceptions but I have been happy with it. Now I am NOT saying it removes any menus that are moved. Just the entries that are listed as installed apps. I can remove the menus myself:) The problem with install shied that I have had is the first thing it does is tries to remove the menus and fails. Wise (for example) removes the menus as the last step so at least the rest of the work is done. Michael A Barnhart mabtech@swbell.net
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Having just helped install a new PC for a friend and having to suggest various apps that I think she needs I thought it would be interesting to ask the experts what they find essential. Here is my list of apps that I cannot do without: - Macromedia Fireworks - Jasc Paint Shop Pro - WinZip - MS Outlook - MS Word - MS Visio - Visual Interdev - SQL Enterprise Manager - CuteFTP - ICQ - Sonork - Acrobat - MS Internet Explorer - Netscape - Notepad (so handy!) - Terminal Services Seeing as most of my development is ASP, HTML and JavaScript I don't need much in the way of debugging tools or compilers. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
I just built my new Dell and installed:
- OS WinME / Win2000 SP2 dual boot
- The basics
- McAfee AntiVirus
- FooBar
- MemWatcher
- TimeSync
- WinZip 8.0
- Adobe Acrobat Reader 5.0
- Eudora 4.2
- FTP Explorer
- RegTracker
- MS Office 2000 (Word, PowerPoint, Excel)
- Development tools
- MSVC 6.0 SP5, MSDN, Platform SDK
- HTML Help Workshop
- Adobe Photoshop 4.0
- Adobe Acrobat Writer 4.0
- Multimedia tools
- WinAmp
- Morpheus
- Power DVD
- SmartRip
- Flask MPEG
- TmpgEnc
- Nero Burning ROM 5.5.1
/ravi "There is always one more bug..." http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
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My god... $10 a month just to use a media player? That's $120 a year. Would you pay $120 for Winamp? Or any other media player? $240 for 2 years... that's more expensive than Windows itself. I refuse to ever use Real products. Every Real product i've ever installed has broken something, then they had the GALL to testify before a senate committee that MS intentionally broke THEIR software (when it turns out it was actuall a bug in THEIR code). -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
Erik Funkenbusch wrote: ... Every Real product i've ever installed has broken something ... Amen, brother! I quit using RealPlayer products 3-4 years ago when I unintalled RealPlayer and it broke just about everything I had on my computer. File associations, start menu shortcuts, ... I took a vow to never use their stuff again, and I don't really care to try anything new from them. I consider RealPlayer the ultimate virus. It performs some function until you remove it, then totally hoses your computer. Why in the world would you charge for something that other people are giving away for free?? -Sean ---- "Vigilance With Pride"
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Jason Hooper wrote: MSDOS Prompt :laugh: oh so true! Even with the fancy GUIs of today the good old prompt is invaluable. Jason Hooper wrote: mIRC You are an addict too huh? I was but I have been IRC free for two years now *the room claps* hehe regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
*clap clap* My name is Jamie and I've been IRC free and clear for 9 months now. J
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Having just helped install a new PC for a friend and having to suggest various apps that I think she needs I thought it would be interesting to ask the experts what they find essential. Here is my list of apps that I cannot do without: - Macromedia Fireworks - Jasc Paint Shop Pro - WinZip - MS Outlook - MS Word - MS Visio - Visual Interdev - SQL Enterprise Manager - CuteFTP - ICQ - Sonork - Acrobat - MS Internet Explorer - Netscape - Notepad (so handy!) - Terminal Services Seeing as most of my development is ASP, HTML and JavaScript I don't need much in the way of debugging tools or compilers. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Hmmm... Almost everyone seems to think WinZip is an essential. Why? I absolutely love Alladin Expander (completely free). It automatically extracts things to a preset folder, in a sub-folder of the same name as the zip file. :-D For making zip files, I use the free CoffeCup Zip Wizard, which is quick and easy. (Note: I guess CoffeCup just made some sort of deal with WinZip, so maybe WinZip is the only decent solution to creating zip files now...) :( A few other apps that I use all the time: FlashGet (was JetCar) download manager and accelerator -- plugs in to both IE and Opera. AVG (anti-virus program) Windows MediaPlayer (I like it better than RealPlayer just because it lets you control the volume of the player separately from the wave volume of the entire system.) John
