Apps you cannot do without
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you should never dismiss what you don't comprendai :rose: Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
Norm Almond wrote: you should never dismiss what you don't comprendai touche, touche! :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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Having just helped install a new PC for a friend and having to suggest various apps that I think she needs I thought it would be interesting to ask the experts what they find essential. Here is my list of apps that I cannot do without: - Macromedia Fireworks - Jasc Paint Shop Pro - WinZip - MS Outlook - MS Word - MS Visio - Visual Interdev - SQL Enterprise Manager - CuteFTP - ICQ - Sonork - Acrobat - MS Internet Explorer - Netscape - Notepad (so handy!) - Terminal Services Seeing as most of my development is ASP, HTML and JavaScript I don't need much in the way of debugging tools or compilers. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
My taskmanager list: - C# - Delphi 5 - VB 6.0 - IE (times 10) 6.0 - Opera --- only 'cause its easier to ALT-TAB out of than IE :omg: ;) - Visual N++ - MSSQL ent. man. 2000 - VSS - BulletProof FTP - MS Messenger and the Boss-screen of all boss-screens: - VC++ 6.0 Simon "...Bill is watching..." "An Object Is Simply A Referenced Thingy" ... Programming Perl, by Larry Wall
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Norm Almond wrote: Different tools for different jobs, you could'nt write a Word processor in ASP and I couldn't write a e-commerce application in C++. I knew a guy who wrote all the back-end processing for an e-commerce application in C++. It was pretty good and very fast. The front-end was all ASP and HTML of course. Also our web content management system has a Word like content editing application with spell checking, full formatting, importing, exporting etc. Much like using Word, only not as infuriating. It is written all in ASP with XML/XSL and a SQL back-end. Of course it uses a VB COM component for the hard stuff but you would be amazed what you can do with Internet Explorer, DHTML and a COM component. You can make a very good UI in a web browser and the COM component does all the data crunching bits. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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My taskmanager list: - C# - Delphi 5 - VB 6.0 - IE (times 10) 6.0 - Opera --- only 'cause its easier to ALT-TAB out of than IE :omg: ;) - Visual N++ - MSSQL ent. man. 2000 - VSS - BulletProof FTP - MS Messenger and the Boss-screen of all boss-screens: - VC++ 6.0 Simon "...Bill is watching..." "An Object Is Simply A Referenced Thingy" ... Programming Perl, by Larry Wall
simons wrote: - Opera --- only 'cause its easier to ALT-TAB out of than IE Yeah I am sure bosses would be irritated seeing their employees on CP all day... oh wait... :omg: you are not referring to alt-tabbing out of CP are you! :omg: you mean porn! :omg: ;P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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So your saying the *hard* UI bits are done in COM objects, I was thinking about ActiveX web components the other day, surely you limiting your audience relying on COM objects. :confused: Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
Norm Almond wrote: So your saying the *hard* UI bits are done in COM objects, I was thinking about ActiveX web components the other day, surely you limiting your audience relying on COM objects No, no, no UI in COM components. We use the COM components for the number crunching stuff and all the heavy server side processing etc. We avoid ActiveX as much as possible as it is a pain in the arse and does not offer much. You can do amazing things with DHTML. Also the CMS solution is targeted at the people who run and provide content for a website. It then pumps out cross-browser compatible code based on templates etc. So the CMS editor etc. can be targeted for Internet Explorer while the website itself remains cross-browser. Targeting CMS for IE lets us focus on very good UIs. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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simons wrote: - Opera --- only 'cause its easier to ALT-TAB out of than IE Yeah I am sure bosses would be irritated seeing their employees on CP all day... oh wait... :omg: you are not referring to alt-tabbing out of CP are you! :omg: you mean porn! :omg: ;P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Paul Watson wrote: you mean porn! Porn is bad, M'kay. Just back from Sandton City and have done my perv'ing for the week... ;P ;) :laugh: :laugh: Why not take a trip to Blouberg on Sat. and do the same, Paul. :laugh: and don't forget to post the pics on your blog. Simon "...Bill is watching..." "An Object Is Simply A Referenced Thingy" ... Programming Perl, by Larry Wall
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Norm Almond wrote: So your saying the *hard* UI bits are done in COM objects, I was thinking about ActiveX web components the other day, surely you limiting your audience relying on COM objects No, no, no UI in COM components. We use the COM components for the number crunching stuff and all the heavy server side processing etc. We avoid ActiveX as much as possible as it is a pain in the arse and does not offer much. You can do amazing things with DHTML. Also the CMS solution is targeted at the people who run and provide content for a website. It then pumps out cross-browser compatible code based on templates etc. So the CMS editor etc. can be targeted for Internet Explorer while the website itself remains cross-browser. Targeting CMS for IE lets us focus on very good UIs. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Yeah, I see, sounds fun, I'm into cool UI, we'tr just developing a Airport Stand Allocation system, this *has* to be done in C++ lots on heavy customized UI drag 'n' drop etc, worst bit is that I use ADO to talk to ORACLE (yuk!) X|, only wish we would use SQL Server. Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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Yeah, I see, sounds fun, I'm into cool UI, we'tr just developing a Airport Stand Allocation system, this *has* to be done in C++ lots on heavy customized UI drag 'n' drop etc, worst bit is that I use ADO to talk to ORACLE (yuk!) X|, only wish we would use SQL Server. Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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Paul Watson wrote: you mean porn! Porn is bad, M'kay. Just back from Sandton City and have done my perv'ing for the week... ;P ;) :laugh: :laugh: Why not take a trip to Blouberg on Sat. and do the same, Paul. :laugh: and don't forget to post the pics on your blog. Simon "...Bill is watching..." "An Object Is Simply A Referenced Thingy" ... Programming Perl, by Larry Wall
simons wrote: Just back from Sandton City and have done my perv'ing for the week :laugh: A friend just moved to Jo'Burg and she says the highlight of Jo'Burg is either trolling through Sandton or going to the "beach" at the Randburg Waterfront. Poor Gautengers ;P simons wrote: Why not take a trip to Blouberg on Sat. and do the same, Paul LOL, well Camps Bay or Fourth Beach are better bets for that kind of thing :-D simons wrote: to post the pics on your blog. LOL someone actually visited it? wOOt! hehe regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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Having just helped install a new PC for a friend and having to suggest various apps that I think she needs I thought it would be interesting to ask the experts what they find essential. Here is my list of apps that I cannot do without: - Macromedia Fireworks - Jasc Paint Shop Pro - WinZip - MS Outlook - MS Word - MS Visio - Visual Interdev - SQL Enterprise Manager - CuteFTP - ICQ - Sonork - Acrobat - MS Internet Explorer - Netscape - Notepad (so handy!) - Terminal Services Seeing as most of my development is ASP, HTML and JavaScript I don't need much in the way of debugging tools or compilers. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Here is my list: Of course... MS Windows (in my case XP Pro) and... IE 6.0 Visual Studio 6.0 Visual Studio 1.52c Visual Studio .NET (Beta) Macromedia Director Macromedia Flash Macromedia Fontographer Paint Shop Pro 7.0 MS Office XP (with Outlook) AOL IM Windows Messenger McAfee VirusScan Boxer Text Editor Brigg Thorp Software Engineer Timex Corporation
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Michael.A.Barnhart wrote: Unistall - Remove4Good - Gets rid of entries of programs that are already gone and whose names were left (Thanks to install shield failing if the user moved the menu.) Does that programme actually work? I have heard claims but never really tested them out. Also does anyone not change the start menu structure? I know I put my apps into a very different menu structure to the default. It confuses uninstall apps like hell though. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Remove4Good has worked 99% of the time for me. That is mostly on NT4 and WinME. I am sure you can find some exceptions but I have been happy with it. Now I am NOT saying it removes any menus that are moved. Just the entries that are listed as installed apps. I can remove the menus myself:) The problem with install shied that I have had is the first thing it does is tries to remove the menus and fails. Wise (for example) removes the menus as the last step so at least the rest of the work is done. Michael A Barnhart mabtech@swbell.net
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Having just helped install a new PC for a friend and having to suggest various apps that I think she needs I thought it would be interesting to ask the experts what they find essential. Here is my list of apps that I cannot do without: - Macromedia Fireworks - Jasc Paint Shop Pro - WinZip - MS Outlook - MS Word - MS Visio - Visual Interdev - SQL Enterprise Manager - CuteFTP - ICQ - Sonork - Acrobat - MS Internet Explorer - Netscape - Notepad (so handy!) - Terminal Services Seeing as most of my development is ASP, HTML and JavaScript I don't need much in the way of debugging tools or compilers. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
I just built my new Dell and installed:
- OS WinME / Win2000 SP2 dual boot
- The basics
- McAfee AntiVirus
- FooBar
- MemWatcher
- TimeSync
- WinZip 8.0
- Adobe Acrobat Reader 5.0
- Eudora 4.2
- FTP Explorer
- RegTracker
- MS Office 2000 (Word, PowerPoint, Excel)
- Development tools
- MSVC 6.0 SP5, MSDN, Platform SDK
- HTML Help Workshop
- Adobe Photoshop 4.0
- Adobe Acrobat Writer 4.0
- Multimedia tools
- WinAmp
- Morpheus
- Power DVD
- SmartRip
- Flask MPEG
- TmpgEnc
- Nero Burning ROM 5.5.1
/ravi "There is always one more bug..." http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
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My god... $10 a month just to use a media player? That's $120 a year. Would you pay $120 for Winamp? Or any other media player? $240 for 2 years... that's more expensive than Windows itself. I refuse to ever use Real products. Every Real product i've ever installed has broken something, then they had the GALL to testify before a senate committee that MS intentionally broke THEIR software (when it turns out it was actuall a bug in THEIR code). -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
Erik Funkenbusch wrote: ... Every Real product i've ever installed has broken something ... Amen, brother! I quit using RealPlayer products 3-4 years ago when I unintalled RealPlayer and it broke just about everything I had on my computer. File associations, start menu shortcuts, ... I took a vow to never use their stuff again, and I don't really care to try anything new from them. I consider RealPlayer the ultimate virus. It performs some function until you remove it, then totally hoses your computer. Why in the world would you charge for something that other people are giving away for free?? -Sean ---- "Vigilance With Pride"
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Jason Hooper wrote: MSDOS Prompt :laugh: oh so true! Even with the fancy GUIs of today the good old prompt is invaluable. Jason Hooper wrote: mIRC You are an addict too huh? I was but I have been IRC free for two years now *the room claps* hehe regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
*clap clap* My name is Jamie and I've been IRC free and clear for 9 months now. J
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Having just helped install a new PC for a friend and having to suggest various apps that I think she needs I thought it would be interesting to ask the experts what they find essential. Here is my list of apps that I cannot do without: - Macromedia Fireworks - Jasc Paint Shop Pro - WinZip - MS Outlook - MS Word - MS Visio - Visual Interdev - SQL Enterprise Manager - CuteFTP - ICQ - Sonork - Acrobat - MS Internet Explorer - Netscape - Notepad (so handy!) - Terminal Services Seeing as most of my development is ASP, HTML and JavaScript I don't need much in the way of debugging tools or compilers. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Hmmm... Almost everyone seems to think WinZip is an essential. Why? I absolutely love Alladin Expander (completely free). It automatically extracts things to a preset folder, in a sub-folder of the same name as the zip file. :-D For making zip files, I use the free CoffeCup Zip Wizard, which is quick and easy. (Note: I guess CoffeCup just made some sort of deal with WinZip, so maybe WinZip is the only decent solution to creating zip files now...) :( A few other apps that I use all the time: FlashGet (was JetCar) download manager and accelerator -- plugs in to both IE and Opera. AVG (anti-virus program) Windows MediaPlayer (I like it better than RealPlayer just because it lets you control the volume of the player separately from the wave volume of the entire system.) John
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Jon Sagara wrote: I'm using an *old* version Oh! The DOS version I bet. Yeah that was good. Jon Sagara wrote: I'll have to check out SlowView, though. The URL is http://www.slowview.f2s.com/ Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
SlowView rocks! Thanks for the link. Jon Sagara "There are lies, damned lies and statistics." -- Mark Twain.
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Norm Almond wrote: and ASP is the future, how niave of you I definitley do not think ASP is the future either. I still don't think though that C++ is either. Speculation is exactly that, so I shall speculate that .NET is the future, especially the ASP.NET component. ASP.NET is out of this world. 3d programming in business apps? Oh sure, they will go for that X| Norm Almond wrote: Maybe you should learn OpenGL or DirectX While I am at it I will also have root canal and an anal probe ;P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Paul Watson wrote: 3d programming in business apps? Oh sure, they will go for that Sure - haven't you seen any Hollywood movies ? ALL GUI's are 3D, doncha know. Just saw Swordfish and apparently a worm is basically a collection of 3D cubes, the more cubes the better the worm. Paul Watson wrote: ASP.NET is out of this world. Our web monkey tells me that ASP is rubbish. I don't know much about that stuff, but I know he uses PHP. Of course .NET will be part of the future, no matter what, because M$ will keep releasing and advertising it until it is. How else could VB have survived ? ;-) Paul Watson wrote: While I am at it I will also have root canal and an anal probe 3D development is the only thing I've set out to teach myself and failed ( although lack of available time was certainly a factor. ) I'll get back on that horse one day, it's really very interesting, and very cool, stuff. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
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Probably: - mIRC - VC ++ (even when not hacking, I love the html "syntax" coloring!) - MSDOS Prompt - IE 5 - WinZip - PSP 5 :suss: -Jason nirgle.bitdevil.com
This is close to my list. Remove PSP and add media player ( because Winamp does not play movies ), and Virtua Dub, and I'm done. Oh, and VC is no good without Visual Assist and WndTabs. Oh, oh - WORMS WORLD PARTY !!! Now I'm done. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOz
I live in Bob's HungOut now
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Paul Watson wrote: 3d programming in business apps? Oh sure, they will go for that Sure - haven't you seen any Hollywood movies ? ALL GUI's are 3D, doncha know. Just saw Swordfish and apparently a worm is basically a collection of 3D cubes, the more cubes the better the worm. Paul Watson wrote: ASP.NET is out of this world. Our web monkey tells me that ASP is rubbish. I don't know much about that stuff, but I know he uses PHP. Of course .NET will be part of the future, no matter what, because M$ will keep releasing and advertising it until it is. How else could VB have survived ? ;-) Paul Watson wrote: While I am at it I will also have root canal and an anal probe 3D development is the only thing I've set out to teach myself and failed ( although lack of available time was certainly a factor. ) I'll get back on that horse one day, it's really very interesting, and very cool, stuff. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOz
I live in Bob's HungOut now
****Christian Graus wrote: Sure - haven't you seen any Hollywood movies ? ALL GUI's are 3D, doncha know. Just saw Swordfish and apparently a worm is basically a collection of 3D cubes, the more cubes the better the worm. Don't forget the ultra cool beeps, dongs, blips and shrrriks that the GUI makes at every opportunity. (That is my pet hate when a computer is shown in a movie. My computer NEVER makes any sound apart from playing MP3s and they don't blip, beep or dong!) ****Christian Graus wrote: Our web monkey tells me that ASP is rubbish. I don't know much about that stuff, but I know he uses PHP. :laugh: I got up reading the "ASP is rubbish" bit and I made a silent bet with myself that the next sentence would tell me that he used PHP instead. And lo and behold, it came to be! Chris, the whole ASP vs. PHP thing is exactly like the whole Windows vs. Linux war. I lile ASP and happen to think that it is the best server side environment out there. I have used PHP but found it a bit archaic (it uses ECHO (remember from BATCH programming!!!!) and to use an include file you have to start up a text stream, read in the whole file (using a loop) and then close the text stream! In ASP it is one line of code.) Anyway I am not getting involved in another ASP vs. PHP arguement. ****Christian Graus wrote: 3D development is the only thing I've set out to teach myself and failed ( although lack of available time was certainly a factor. ) I'll get back on that horse one day, it's really very interesting, and very cool, stuff. Well actually I wish I had the mathematical know how to do 3D coding. I love the stuff but my 3D skills are limited to 3D Studio Max. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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****Christian Graus wrote: Sure - haven't you seen any Hollywood movies ? ALL GUI's are 3D, doncha know. Just saw Swordfish and apparently a worm is basically a collection of 3D cubes, the more cubes the better the worm. Don't forget the ultra cool beeps, dongs, blips and shrrriks that the GUI makes at every opportunity. (That is my pet hate when a computer is shown in a movie. My computer NEVER makes any sound apart from playing MP3s and they don't blip, beep or dong!) ****Christian Graus wrote: Our web monkey tells me that ASP is rubbish. I don't know much about that stuff, but I know he uses PHP. :laugh: I got up reading the "ASP is rubbish" bit and I made a silent bet with myself that the next sentence would tell me that he used PHP instead. And lo and behold, it came to be! Chris, the whole ASP vs. PHP thing is exactly like the whole Windows vs. Linux war. I lile ASP and happen to think that it is the best server side environment out there. I have used PHP but found it a bit archaic (it uses ECHO (remember from BATCH programming!!!!) and to use an include file you have to start up a text stream, read in the whole file (using a loop) and then close the text stream! In ASP it is one line of code.) Anyway I am not getting involved in another ASP vs. PHP arguement. ****Christian Graus wrote: 3D development is the only thing I've set out to teach myself and failed ( although lack of available time was certainly a factor. ) I'll get back on that horse one day, it's really very interesting, and very cool, stuff. Well actually I wish I had the mathematical know how to do 3D coding. I love the stuff but my 3D skills are limited to 3D Studio Max. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Paul Watson wrote: I got up reading the "ASP is rubbish" bit and I made a silent bet with myself that the next sentence would tell me that he used PHP instead. And lo and behold, it came to be *grin* Note I was careful to distance myself from the statement, because a. I don't know and b. it's always seemed like a religious war to me. Paul Watson wrote: Well actually I wish I had the mathematical know how to do 3D coding. Yeah, I pretty much got stuck on the part where I had to keep in my head the idea of where I was, where I was facing, where everything else was and how it all effected my next line of code... Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOz
I live in Bob's HungOut now
