Indian English and a matter of tense
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Yulianto. wrote: Hey that's me. How do you pronounce it? The 'r' is silent.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: The 'r' is silent Why do you write the 'r' at all, if it does not really belong to the word? :confused: _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, I still try to learn your language!
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: The 'r' is silent Why do you write the 'r' at all, if it does not really belong to the word? :confused: _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, I still try to learn your language!
Corinna John wrote: Why do you write the 'r' at all, if it does not really belong to the word? English is not a phonetic language, remember, so words are sometimes pronounced differently from how they are written.
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Yulianto. wrote: Hey that's me. How do you pronounce it? The 'r' is silent.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: The 'r' is silent. ion?? I pronounce it "eyern"
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: The 'r' is silent. ion?? I pronounce it "eyern"
John Theal wrote: I pronounce it "eyern" Me too - see my later posts :-)
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Why do Indians prefer present tense ( or present progressive tense )? Most Indians would say, "I am attaching the doc" instead of "I have attached the doc". Why? Is it due to the fact that Indian languages lay more stress on the present tense? Being an Indian English speaker, I am confused as to which'd be more clean (both seem to be grammatically okay). Mr .NET says both are fine with him. Nish
If I am on the phone, writing an e-mail to the person as I speak, over the phone I would say the former. In the e-mail I would use the past tense, though I would agree that the latter is okay, because at the time of writting you are, and its just conveying something from the writters point of view, and not for the recipents point of view. The reason I would normally use the later, is the majority of my e-mails are for business, and so I want it from my clients perspective. Its just etiquette I supose. An experiment : In the case above would normally write something like "Please find attached", not but definitely not "Please find attching.", as the later is from the recipients perspective. English from what I hear from people to whom it is their second language is a tricky language to learn. There are rules, and then lots of exceptions to the rules. In some cases there are rules with just one example. Hmmm. Then there is the pronaounciation, and the fact that there are lots of words that sound the same but mean different things..... There, Their, They're Which, Witch Where, Were, Wear But I'm sure you are familiar with these, but the list does go on. English is pretty expresive, and flexible. I like the fact that you can swear every other word in a sentance and still make sense. Though I don't do it too often. :)
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If I am on the phone, writing an e-mail to the person as I speak, over the phone I would say the former. In the e-mail I would use the past tense, though I would agree that the latter is okay, because at the time of writting you are, and its just conveying something from the writters point of view, and not for the recipents point of view. The reason I would normally use the later, is the majority of my e-mails are for business, and so I want it from my clients perspective. Its just etiquette I supose. An experiment : In the case above would normally write something like "Please find attached", not but definitely not "Please find attching.", as the later is from the recipients perspective. English from what I hear from people to whom it is their second language is a tricky language to learn. There are rules, and then lots of exceptions to the rules. In some cases there are rules with just one example. Hmmm. Then there is the pronaounciation, and the fact that there are lots of words that sound the same but mean different things..... There, Their, They're Which, Witch Where, Were, Wear But I'm sure you are familiar with these, but the list does go on. English is pretty expresive, and flexible. I like the fact that you can swear every other word in a sentance and still make sense. Though I don't do it too often. :)
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Giles wrote: I like the fact that you can swear every other word in a sentance and still make sense. Though I don't do it too often. Yeah that's fun ;-)
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Corinna John wrote: Why do you write the 'r' at all, if it does not really belong to the word? English is not a phonetic language, remember, so words are sometimes pronounced differently from how they are written.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: English is not a phonetic language, remember, so words are sometimes pronounced differently from how they are written. This is due in part to the written/printed word - once spellings were down on paper, subsequent shifts in pronunciation have often not been reflected by updated spellings. For example, the spelling of place names Gloucester (now pron. "Gloster") and Leicester (pron. "Lester") are several hundred years out of date. Damn the Ordnance Survey! I spent a long time being totally against spelling reform, but after learning a phonemic language (Kernewek Kemmyn) and seeing the advantages, I now reckon UK English could do with a little phoneticising... Steve.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: The 'r' is silent Why do you write the 'r' at all, if it does not really belong to the word? :confused: _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, I still try to learn your language!
I think it is more of an accent thing. In Scotland the R is more heavily pronounced than in other English speaking areas.
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If I am on the phone, writing an e-mail to the person as I speak, over the phone I would say the former. In the e-mail I would use the past tense, though I would agree that the latter is okay, because at the time of writting you are, and its just conveying something from the writters point of view, and not for the recipents point of view. The reason I would normally use the later, is the majority of my e-mails are for business, and so I want it from my clients perspective. Its just etiquette I supose. An experiment : In the case above would normally write something like "Please find attached", not but definitely not "Please find attching.", as the later is from the recipients perspective. English from what I hear from people to whom it is their second language is a tricky language to learn. There are rules, and then lots of exceptions to the rules. In some cases there are rules with just one example. Hmmm. Then there is the pronaounciation, and the fact that there are lots of words that sound the same but mean different things..... There, Their, They're Which, Witch Where, Were, Wear But I'm sure you are familiar with these, but the list does go on. English is pretty expresive, and flexible. I like the fact that you can swear every other word in a sentance and still make sense. Though I don't do it too often. :)
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Giles wrote: Then there is the pronaounciation, and the fact that there are lots of words that sound the same but mean different things..... There, Their, They're Which, Witch Where, Were, Wear 'Where' I am, Where, Wear and Ware are pronounced the same; Were isn't (sounds like 'Whirr')...though maybe that's just a UK thang... ;-) My favourite English spelling quirk has to be 'ough' - different sounds in Cough, Bough, Though, Through, Thought must confuse the hell out of non-native speakers. Steve.
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Giles wrote: Then there is the pronaounciation, and the fact that there are lots of words that sound the same but mean different things..... There, Their, They're Which, Witch Where, Were, Wear 'Where' I am, Where, Wear and Ware are pronounced the same; Were isn't (sounds like 'Whirr')...though maybe that's just a UK thang... ;-) My favourite English spelling quirk has to be 'ough' - different sounds in Cough, Bough, Though, Through, Thought must confuse the hell out of non-native speakers. Steve.
viaduct wrote: My favourite English spelling quirk has to be 'ough' - different sounds in Cough, Bough, Though, Through, Thought must confuse the hell out of non-native speakers. Bernard Shaw suggested changing the spelling of "fish" to "ghoti". [gh] from "lau[gh]" [o] from "w[o]men" [ti] from "na[ti]on". Nish
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viaduct wrote: My favourite English spelling quirk has to be 'ough' - different sounds in Cough, Bough, Though, Through, Thought must confuse the hell out of non-native speakers. Bernard Shaw suggested changing the spelling of "fish" to "ghoti". [gh] from "lau[gh]" [o] from "w[o]men" [ti] from "na[ti]on". Nish
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Bernard Shaw suggested changing the spelling of "fish" to "ghoti". [gh] from "lau[gh]" [o] from "w[o]men" [ti] from "na[ti]on". Nish Maybe you could change Nish to Knoti?
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viaduct wrote: My favourite English spelling quirk has to be 'ough' - different sounds in Cough, Bough, Though, Through, Thought must confuse the hell out of non-native speakers. Bernard Shaw suggested changing the spelling of "fish" to "ghoti". [gh] from "lau[gh]" [o] from "w[o]men" [ti] from "na[ti]on". Nish
:-D Cheers, Vikram.
http://www.geocities.com/vpunathambekar "It's like hitting water with your fist. There's all sorts of motion and noise at impact, and no impression left whatsoever shortly thereafter." — gantww.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Bernard Shaw suggested changing the spelling of "fish" to "ghoti". [gh] from "lau[gh]" [o] from "w[o]men" [ti] from "na[ti]on". Nish Maybe you could change Nish to Knoti?
viaduct wrote: Maybe you could change Nish to Knoti? Or Pnoti :-)
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Bernard Shaw suggested changing the spelling of "fish" to "ghoti". [gh] from "lau[gh]" [o] from "w[o]men" [ti] from "na[ti]on". Nish Maybe you could change Nish to Knoti?
viaduct wrote: Maybe you could change Nish to Knoti? :laugh: I wish I'd thought of that. Cheers, Vikram.
http://www.geocities.com/vpunathambekar "It's like hitting water with your fist. There's all sorts of motion and noise at impact, and no impression left whatsoever shortly thereafter." — gantww.
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viaduct wrote: Maybe you could change Nish to Knoti? :laugh: I wish I'd thought of that. Cheers, Vikram.
http://www.geocities.com/vpunathambekar "It's like hitting water with your fist. There's all sorts of motion and noise at impact, and no impression left whatsoever shortly thereafter." — gantww.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: I wish I'd thought of that. I knew that was coming :-)
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: I wish I'd thought of that. I knew that was coming :-)
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: I knew that was coming Couldn't let a good feedline go to waste. ;P
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: I knew that was coming Couldn't let a good feedline go to waste. ;P
viaduct wrote: Couldn't let a good feedline go to waste. Yeah, I understood :-D
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: The 'r' is silent. But it's not pronounced like ion. iron is pronounced more like i-ern
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As someone of German heritage, I've seen first hand that people learn a new language word by word, and then translate using the tense that feels right to them. On another front I was listening to a German metal band yesterday and they have a song called 'Iron Force', but every time he sings it, he emphasises the r in 'iron'. It made me laugh, anyhow. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote: On another front I was listening to a German metal band yesterday and they have a song called 'Iron Force', but every time he sings it, he emphasises the r in 'iron'. It made me laugh, anyhow. The singer of a metal band doesn't know how to pronounce 'Iron Maiden'??? :omg:
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Bob Stanneveld wrote: That sounds like scottisch or the silly english that you hear in pirate movies... eye-ern sounds silly to you? So, you pronounce it as i"r"on? (pronouncing the r as in ironic)?