Avant Browser - pros and cons
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FF isn't great with memory but it won't use 2gigs for just 12 tabs. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
I actually think there's a problem when you run Roboform in I.E. (Avant) and Firefox and you have them both open at the same time. Something about that seems to want memory infinitely. I can open it right now and in a few hours I'll be up around 2 gigs in FF and about half-a-gig in Avant. It gets a bit nasty. I just use one or the other. I should disable Roboform in FF and see if the problem continues.
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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(FF probably supports some of these features in all fairness) Avant Pros -Built in RSS reader. -Double click on tab to close. -Shift click to open a website in a new tab or right click open -If a URL specifies a new window Avant opens it as a new tab, not another instance. -Easily turn scripting on / off. -When I type make an error typing in a URL, it does take me to pay pal website. -Website alias’s, I simply type “gg” into the address bar and press enter it takes me to Google. -It just works, no worrying about whether or not this version works with what or is a website compliant with this weeks WC3 standards. -Edit the typed URL history. -popup blocker. -It of coarse supports IE shortcuts like typing in the address and pressing control + enter to fill in http & .com Avant Cons -f4 doesn’t work (f4 in IE puts the cursor in the address bar) -Website custom icons don’t always work. With a little customization you can easily de-clutter it; most of the features that clutter the UI are tool bars.
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
thedailywtf.com[^] -- modified at 5:44 Tuesday 6th December, 2005
>-f4 doesn’t work (f4 in IE puts the cursor in the address bar) Alt-D. >-Website custom icons don’t always work. Better than IE which looses them once the cache expires or doesn't update to new ones. >-Built in RSS reader. Do you actually use that? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I've used Avant exclusively and been extremely happy. I've developed some habits to make it easier. First off I ditch Yahoo search it sucks. In the Avant browser miscellaneous options you can enable the Google Toolbar and that's perfect for me. I change the default search to Google and I close the Yahoo toolbar all together. The other thing I do is go into the Feeds->Organize Feeds and I delete all the RSS crap it preloads into their. I don't need it as an RSS reader so I don't use it for that. The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT I use my browser as a tool and I like it to save stuff I was referring to when I have to restart. It's an awesome tool. If you have more questions about it let me know. It beats the pants off firefox and that's about all there is too it. I have firefox and I use it the biggest thing for me is it won't save my opened pages for me. That's just lame. So I'm all about Avant and very happy with it. Crashing??? Upgrade. I've not had an avant browser crash in geeeeez, a long time and I abuse the crap out of it. I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory then close them all at once. It's been stable for me. But I'm a damned genius!:laugh: - Rex
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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code-frog wrote:
I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory then close them all at once. It's been stable for me. But I'm a damned genius!
Currently I have 36 documents open between all of my 13 Firefox windows - and that's normal for me. ;-) Firefox is using a total of 221 MB. I don't have any crashes but I generally restart it once every day or two because it gets sluggish.
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>-f4 doesn’t work (f4 in IE puts the cursor in the address bar) Alt-D. >-Website custom icons don’t always work. Better than IE which looses them once the cache expires or doesn't update to new ones. >-Built in RSS reader. Do you actually use that? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
Alt-D.
Cool, I didn't know that. The one thing about some apps I hate the most is lack of keyboard support.
Paul Watson wrote:
Better than IE which looses them once the cache expires or doesn't update to new ones.
Only a minor nuisance for me.
Paul Watson wrote:
Do you actually use that?
:-O Yup, CP is the only site in which I read the RSS feed. I don’t have much free time at home so I keep my web reading to a minimum. I come to work to relax from working :)
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Alt-D.
Cool, I didn't know that. The one thing about some apps I hate the most is lack of keyboard support.
Paul Watson wrote:
Better than IE which looses them once the cache expires or doesn't update to new ones.
Only a minor nuisance for me.
Paul Watson wrote:
Do you actually use that?
:-O Yup, CP is the only site in which I read the RSS feed. I don’t have much free time at home so I keep my web reading to a minimum. I come to work to relax from working :)
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
Firefox keyboard shortcuts[^]. And don't be embarassed by the RSS thing, it is perfectly reasonable to use it for one feed. Anything more though and I think you have to be mad to use the built-in FF RSS support. :) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Firefox keyboard shortcuts[^]. And don't be embarassed by the RSS thing, it is perfectly reasonable to use it for one feed. Anything more though and I think you have to be mad to use the built-in FF RSS support. :) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
Firefox keyboard shortcuts[^].
Umm err my OP was in regards to Avant, I have FF installed at home. It has never really impressed me. When FF was still firebird (I think that was the name) the seemingly constant, your running an out of date build drove me nuts. How about publish RC once a week folks. From the sounds of it not much has changed.
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
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Firefox keyboard shortcuts[^]. And don't be embarassed by the RSS thing, it is perfectly reasonable to use it for one feed. Anything more though and I think you have to be mad to use the built-in FF RSS support. :) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
OT BTW, a few months ago I asked about film camera lenses as a birthday gift for the girlfriend. I ended up buying one of your recommendations (don’t remember which off the top of my head). It was a hit, she loves the lens and the pictures are good. Thanks for he help! :cool:
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
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I know FireFox users hate IE (not the IE users i presume :) ) I tried avant browser after a message by Marc here[^]and i am finding it with loads of extended features which IE users always wanted to have at a single place. I would say its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated interface,due to enhanced feature list, but for IE users this adds an immense features all IE users always wanted. 1st the "The Con's " 1. Seems to be too cluttered (Firefox or IE Interface is much simpler) 2. Somebody said it crashes (but not till now i have used it for three days) 3. It is 100% based on Internet Explorer, it actually extends the IE using inbuilt BHO. 4. There are two tabs which are really horrible a> Yahoo search tab (may be somebody find it useful but you can hide it) b> Similar website (This one actually is a bit cluttery one you might see you can hide this one too ) might show a set of squares as if loading something 5. I am not sure about this one but i am unable to use the Answers.com toolbar in Avant. ( may be i have to reinstall it) 6..Add your cons here...... The Pro's 1. Tabbed browsing 2. Based on IE - Works on all the websites where IE works 3. In built Google search tab 4. you don't have to import/export anything everything in IE is automatically there 5. One cick- you can hide/ close all the browsers to the system tray 6. One click all features of tabbed browsing, 7. And yes it is faster than IE 8. capable to Block "In the page " Flash or even image Ads in the page 9. Zoom in zoom out any image in the page 10. mouseover text in the page and a floating option of search etc. 11. Feeds Menu like favorite menu 12. And Ofcourse the Cool Skins.... 13..Add your pros here....... For all the IE users its bliss. Friends, Romans and all the fellow FF users please don't shoot me for using extended IE like browser, we can live side by side :) "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 18:01 Monday 5th December, 2005
Quartz... wrote:
i am finding it with loads of extended features which IE users always wanted to have at a single place.
Avant Browser is Cool.. But I am great fan of http://www.maxthon.com/[^], and this post too coming from that browser only :)
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Quartz... wrote:
its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated also due to enhanced feature list
:laugh::laugh: That is rich. That's possibly the most hilarious thing I've heard in quite a while...
Quartz... wrote:
The Pro's
That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does... :~
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox? Do you just dislike the Gecko engine? Are you not a big fan of standards? Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
David Stone wrote:
engine? Are you not a big fan of standards?
Standards? Is this something like the metric system?
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I know FireFox users hate IE (not the IE users i presume :) ) I tried avant browser after a message by Marc here[^]and i am finding it with loads of extended features which IE users always wanted to have at a single place. I would say its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated interface,due to enhanced feature list, but for IE users this adds an immense features all IE users always wanted. 1st the "The Con's " 1. Seems to be too cluttered (Firefox or IE Interface is much simpler) 2. Somebody said it crashes (but not till now i have used it for three days) 3. It is 100% based on Internet Explorer, it actually extends the IE using inbuilt BHO. 4. There are two tabs which are really horrible a> Yahoo search tab (may be somebody find it useful but you can hide it) b> Similar website (This one actually is a bit cluttery one you might see you can hide this one too ) might show a set of squares as if loading something 5. I am not sure about this one but i am unable to use the Answers.com toolbar in Avant. ( may be i have to reinstall it) 6..Add your cons here...... The Pro's 1. Tabbed browsing 2. Based on IE - Works on all the websites where IE works 3. In built Google search tab 4. you don't have to import/export anything everything in IE is automatically there 5. One cick- you can hide/ close all the browsers to the system tray 6. One click all features of tabbed browsing, 7. And yes it is faster than IE 8. capable to Block "In the page " Flash or even image Ads in the page 9. Zoom in zoom out any image in the page 10. mouseover text in the page and a floating option of search etc. 11. Feeds Menu like favorite menu 12. And Ofcourse the Cool Skins.... 13..Add your pros here....... For all the IE users its bliss. Friends, Romans and all the fellow FF users please don't shoot me for using extended IE like browser, we can live side by side :) "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 18:01 Monday 5th December, 2005
Doesn't anyone else like Opera?
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Quartz... wrote:
its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated also due to enhanced feature list
:laugh::laugh: That is rich. That's possibly the most hilarious thing I've heard in quite a while...
Quartz... wrote:
The Pro's
That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does... :~
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox? Do you just dislike the Gecko engine? Are you not a big fan of standards? Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
David Stone wrote:
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox?
I find the UI a little inferior to using IE. It's primarily personal preference!
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Paul Watson wrote:
Firefox keyboard shortcuts[^].
Umm err my OP was in regards to Avant, I have FF installed at home. It has never really impressed me. When FF was still firebird (I think that was the name) the seemingly constant, your running an out of date build drove me nuts. How about publish RC once a week folks. From the sounds of it not much has changed.
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
sfdougl wrote:
From the sounds of it not much has changed.
As opposed to the IE world, where you have to download Windows Update patches every week to patch a buffer overrun in IE? :~
Firefox had 7 patches between 1.0 and 1.5. IE had a lot more in that timeframe.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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>stick to HTML tables and java scripts As in tables for layout and not tabular data? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
From the sounds of it not much has changed.
That's usually what that means, Paul. :sigh:
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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"because FF is strict to some standards so some page does not look good in FF" Eh? Sticking to standards is a good reason to use FF, not to avoid it! If the pages don't look good, that's the fault of the website designer, not of FF. Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
Agreed FF sticks to some "high standards" but who cares what standard you stick to or not if you cannot render a page properly, if the web page don't look good in FF, blaming the designer is how reasonable, and it looks good in IE then what you say. Thats why i think 90% people stick to IE, because they don't care about the standards what they care all is the website should look good (for a browser it should be the basic goal) and i think its arrogant to say that FF browser is good even when it is not able to render a page properly, but the designer is bad. when the same page is good in IE or Netscape. "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
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>stick to HTML tables and java scripts As in tables for layout and not tabular data? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
oh yes tabular data too, and even DHTML and everything i have done till now using IE i found it pretty OK with a good support of DOM also. i am still checking FF and what kind extra features it provides. you know we need to have a disucssion on Cons of IE :) "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
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Paul Watson wrote:
From the sounds of it not much has changed.
That's usually what that means, Paul. :sigh:
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
Pardon? Did the threads get mixed up? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Agreed FF sticks to some "high standards" but who cares what standard you stick to or not if you cannot render a page properly, if the web page don't look good in FF, blaming the designer is how reasonable, and it looks good in IE then what you say. Thats why i think 90% people stick to IE, because they don't care about the standards what they care all is the website should look good (for a browser it should be the basic goal) and i think its arrogant to say that FF browser is good even when it is not able to render a page properly, but the designer is bad. when the same page is good in IE or Netscape. "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
>Thats why i think 90% people stick to IE Nonesense. It is obvious that the reason most people use IE is because that's what comes pre-installed on their Windows PC. Most people don't even *know* there are alternatives to IE.
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Pardon? Did the threads get mixed up? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Hm. Interesting. I think that might be my fault (with the quoting...damn Midas. Doesn't want to play nicely with CPhog ;P).
I was making a remark on the using tables for layout thing...and I was just saying that people who say they "use tables" are usually referring to layout.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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Hm. Interesting. I think that might be my fault (with the quoting...damn Midas. Doesn't want to play nicely with CPhog ;P).
I was making a remark on the using tables for layout thing...and I was just saying that people who say they "use tables" are usually referring to layout.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
Yeah, I just didn't want to jump to conclusions. *sigh* regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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sfdougl wrote:
From the sounds of it not much has changed.
As opposed to the IE world, where you have to download Windows Update patches every week to patch a buffer overrun in IE? :~
Firefox had 7 patches between 1.0 and 1.5. IE had a lot more in that timeframe.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
Funny while reading your post it sounded like; “Oh yea, my browser can beat up your browser”. :) Could have been an opportunity to say something positive about FF instead of slandering IE; are there not enough “wars” in the geek community? Do we really need to add the browser to that list? :sigh: Does FF still usurp your home page and take you to the FF website when it’s out of date? Doing updates which not only include the browser, OS and everything else is easier than doing apps on an individual basis. hmm maybe Im getting to lazy / old for this stuff. :~
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.