The Wonder of Shari'a
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*yawn* i am back to my question "go and read what i had written before"
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i am back to my question "go and read what i had written before"
um..that's not a question. And besides, you have never expresses your position on dhimmitude. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i am back to my question "go and read what i had written before"
um..that's not a question. And besides, you have never expresses your position on dhimmitude. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
that's not a question
I`m sorry for this mistake,that was my reply to you
kgaddy wrote:
you have never expresses your position on dhimmitude
Jorgen has clearly explained you the reason /Regds
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kgaddy wrote:
Well It looks like your opinion also:
Yes, it is, and I never claimed it wasn't. I believe that the way sharia seems to be implemented, is a vile form of governing. On the other hand, I don't think I fully comprehend the sharia laws, so it could be that the idea is sound, but the implementation is just wrong. I'm fairly sure though that there's something wrong with the sharia laws that allows this crap to happen. Anyway, if I had wanted to know what Adnan thinks about sharia, I would not have advertised my judgement beforehand. Don't show your hand until you've been called! ;)
that kgaddy will have difficulty to understand it,just for sake of knowledge,i try to elaborate it. the literall arabic meanings of Shariyah is "Road",often used as sea-shore as well,in Islam,it could be translated as "Road to guidance" in english. What Is shariyah[^],from the site: The law system inspired by the Koran, the Sunna, older Arabic law systems, parallel traditions, and work of Muslim scholars over the two first centuries of Islam. i would like to add my words,i can`t say I would ne 100% correct to explain it as i am not some authentic scholar,would try my best,else if one is sincre to know,he/she could seek alternative muslim source.... Shariyah is related with muslims only,non-muslims have notthing to do with it since its irrelevent for them. second shariyah is not something which is imposed to someone,as my statment is supported by this verse of quran: And now have We set thee (O Muhammad) on a clear road of (Our) commandment; so follow it, and follow not the whims of those who know not.(Quran:45:18) so this verse mentions that its good for muslims to follow it,if not,its their loss..its like that if a mother advises his son not to smoke,she can just advise him,if he lsitens,if not,bad for him,its not mom`s burden now that she didn`t aware the her kid. there are many things in Islam which are MUST, forinstance Prayers(Salat),FASt etc..Shariyah wasn`t asked to be must otherwise every muslim country had shariyah otherwise we were declared as non-muslims. The author further says,which does support my point of view mentioned in the link: Sharia is often referred to as Islamic law, but this is wrong, as only a small part is irrefutably based upon the core Islamic text, the Koran. A correct definition would either be "Islam-inspired", "Islam-derived" or "the law system of Muslims". there is clear difference between implementing the actual system or get inspiration of it.. let me take example of Interest,in arabic its called Ribah,in Islam,Interest is NOT allowed at all,there are banks in pakistan who take interests,while there are bank in Pakistan who are termed as ISLAMIC BANK since they are interest free,you may say those islamic banks followed the Shariyah. its also said that Shariyah or Islam dont support democracy,that is also wrong,the biggest example of democrac
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kgaddy wrote:
that's not a question
I`m sorry for this mistake,that was my reply to you
kgaddy wrote:
you have never expresses your position on dhimmitude
Jorgen has clearly explained you the reason /Regds
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Jorgen has clearly explained you the reason
No he did not. If you are so passionate about sharia, can you please justify dhimmitude. I personally am against it (for obvious reasons). But maybe you can shed some light on the subject. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Because Americans aren't greedy. It's selfish to keep all the killing to ourselves. You know in a single year in Vietnam, 7 times as many US soldiers were killed as the nearly three years we've been in Iraq? Plus we actually accomplished something rather substantial there as opposed to Vietnam. In fact America would have to be in Iraq with the same rate of casualties for another 64 years before the death toll matched that of Vietnam. At the end of the day, Iraq and Afghanistan are fresh Democracies, while Vietnam caved to the Soviets. Moral of the story: When you want a war...let conservatives handle it!
just for sake of better understanding and learning,you are trying to say that people kill in DC due to crimes are equal to death of us soliders in iraq?
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that kgaddy will have difficulty to understand it,just for sake of knowledge,i try to elaborate it. the literall arabic meanings of Shariyah is "Road",often used as sea-shore as well,in Islam,it could be translated as "Road to guidance" in english. What Is shariyah[^],from the site: The law system inspired by the Koran, the Sunna, older Arabic law systems, parallel traditions, and work of Muslim scholars over the two first centuries of Islam. i would like to add my words,i can`t say I would ne 100% correct to explain it as i am not some authentic scholar,would try my best,else if one is sincre to know,he/she could seek alternative muslim source.... Shariyah is related with muslims only,non-muslims have notthing to do with it since its irrelevent for them. second shariyah is not something which is imposed to someone,as my statment is supported by this verse of quran: And now have We set thee (O Muhammad) on a clear road of (Our) commandment; so follow it, and follow not the whims of those who know not.(Quran:45:18) so this verse mentions that its good for muslims to follow it,if not,its their loss..its like that if a mother advises his son not to smoke,she can just advise him,if he lsitens,if not,bad for him,its not mom`s burden now that she didn`t aware the her kid. there are many things in Islam which are MUST, forinstance Prayers(Salat),FASt etc..Shariyah wasn`t asked to be must otherwise every muslim country had shariyah otherwise we were declared as non-muslims. The author further says,which does support my point of view mentioned in the link: Sharia is often referred to as Islamic law, but this is wrong, as only a small part is irrefutably based upon the core Islamic text, the Koran. A correct definition would either be "Islam-inspired", "Islam-derived" or "the law system of Muslims". there is clear difference between implementing the actual system or get inspiration of it.. let me take example of Interest,in arabic its called Ribah,in Islam,Interest is NOT allowed at all,there are banks in pakistan who take interests,while there are bank in Pakistan who are termed as ISLAMIC BANK since they are interest free,you may say those islamic banks followed the Shariyah. its also said that Shariyah or Islam dont support democracy,that is also wrong,the biggest example of democrac
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Shariyah is related with muslims only,non-muslims have notthing to do with it since its irrelevent for them.
then explain this: Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, “protected” or “guilty” people, are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the legal superstructure that global jihadists are laboring through violence to restore everywhere in the Islamic world, and wish ultimately to impose on the entire human race. If dhimmis complained about their inferior status, institutionalized humiliation, or poverty, their masters voided their contract and regarded them as enemies of Islam, fair game as objects of violence. Consequently, dhimmis were generally cowed into silence and worse. It was almost unheard-of to find dhimmis speaking out against their oppressors; to do so would have been suicide. For centuries dhimmi communities in the Islamic world learned to live in peace with their Muslim overlords by acquiescing to their subservience. Some even actively identified with the dominant class, and became strenuous advocates for it. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Shariyah is related with muslims only,non-muslims have notthing to do with it since its irrelevent for them.
then explain this: Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, “protected” or “guilty” people, are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the legal superstructure that global jihadists are laboring through violence to restore everywhere in the Islamic world, and wish ultimately to impose on the entire human race. If dhimmis complained about their inferior status, institutionalized humiliation, or poverty, their masters voided their contract and regarded them as enemies of Islam, fair game as objects of violence. Consequently, dhimmis were generally cowed into silence and worse. It was almost unheard-of to find dhimmis speaking out against their oppressors; to do so would have been suicide. For centuries dhimmi communities in the Islamic world learned to live in peace with their Muslim overlords by acquiescing to their subservience. Some even actively identified with the dominant class, and became strenuous advocates for it. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
then explain this:
nope,first you are gonna admit that you linked up an incident delibrately with shariyah and tried to give impression that shariyah supports it.without having any knowledge about this matter?don`t try to be clever ass wid me while you can`t.. its late nite here,see u in 24 hrs
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kgaddy wrote:
then explain this:
nope,first you are gonna admit that you linked up an incident delibrately with shariyah and tried to give impression that shariyah supports it.without having any knowledge about this matter?don`t try to be clever ass wid me while you can`t.. its late nite here,see u in 24 hrs
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Shariyah is related with muslims only,non-muslims have notthing to do with it since its irrelevent for them.
then explain this: Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, “protected” or “guilty” people, are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the legal superstructure that global jihadists are laboring through violence to restore everywhere in the Islamic world, and wish ultimately to impose on the entire human race. If dhimmis complained about their inferior status, institutionalized humiliation, or poverty, their masters voided their contract and regarded them as enemies of Islam, fair game as objects of violence. Consequently, dhimmis were generally cowed into silence and worse. It was almost unheard-of to find dhimmis speaking out against their oppressors; to do so would have been suicide. For centuries dhimmi communities in the Islamic world learned to live in peace with their Muslim overlords by acquiescing to their subservience. Some even actively identified with the dominant class, and became strenuous advocates for it. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
Hysteria?? you didn`t answer me that are you admitting that you had NO idea about shariyah and yo linked up an event with it and now when i responded to someone else about it,you skipped the real post and threw another question? Stop being a troll,otherwise ausual you`ll be ign0red
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yes and this is truly not sharia.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
yes and this is truly not sharia.
Whether it is or not its despicable and barbaric. No Law which treats people unequally on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or race is just, and sharia seems to fail at least two of those tests. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
yes and this is truly not sharia.
Whether it is or not its despicable and barbaric. No Law which treats people unequally on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or race is just, and sharia seems to fail at least two of those tests. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Whether it is or not its despicable and barbaric.
here you ain`t sure about shariah
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
and sharia seems to fail at least two of those tests.
here you are putting your point of view about shariah so what message are you trying to give your readers?that you know Shariah or you just making statments like kgaddy who always trolls bout islam?
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Whether it is or not its despicable and barbaric.
here you ain`t sure about shariah
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
and sharia seems to fail at least two of those tests.
here you are putting your point of view about shariah so what message are you trying to give your readers?that you know Shariah or you just making statments like kgaddy who always trolls bout islam?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
here you ain`t sure about shariah
No, I merely don't know enough about Iranian so called "Law" to know how close it is to shariah. What I do know is that it is brutal, unjust and vicious.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
here you are putting your point of view about shariah so what message are you trying to give your readers?that you know Shariah or you just making statments like kgaddy who always trolls bout islam?
I don't need to troll hun. You of all people should know that. For what its worth, if shariah were a just law committed to absolute equality and freedom of expression on all fronts for all people - regardless of gender, race, Faith or sexual orientation - I would consider it potentially just. However I get the impression from yourself, othrs and many news reports that it is anything but. That is why I believe it to be unjust, and why I will never visit a country which practices any such law. Given that I am a transsexual lesbian, is that so difficult to understand? Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
here you ain`t sure about shariah
No, I merely don't know enough about Iranian so called "Law" to know how close it is to shariah. What I do know is that it is brutal, unjust and vicious.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
here you are putting your point of view about shariah so what message are you trying to give your readers?that you know Shariah or you just making statments like kgaddy who always trolls bout islam?
I don't need to troll hun. You of all people should know that. For what its worth, if shariah were a just law committed to absolute equality and freedom of expression on all fronts for all people - regardless of gender, race, Faith or sexual orientation - I would consider it potentially just. However I get the impression from yourself, othrs and many news reports that it is anything but. That is why I believe it to be unjust, and why I will never visit a country which practices any such law. Given that I am a transsexual lesbian, is that so difficult to understand? Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
I don't need to troll hun. You of all people should know that
yeah,thtswhy i was surprised.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
For what its worth, if shariah were a just law committed to absolute equality and freedom of expression on all fronts for all people - regardless of gender, race, Faith or sexual orientation - I would consider it potentially just.
in similar thread,after 10-15 posts,i have repleid to jorgen about shariyah.if intrested,you may check it out shariyah is english translation of "Road" and according to Islam,it means " road to guidance" you may say arabic translation of any law..like US law, EUropen law,canadian law etc... yes shariah give rights to women like divorce,working outside etc etc, you can`t blame Knife cos a man was injurted due to it,knife is a tool,it could be used to cut fruits as well as fingures,upto you:),hope you got me.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
However I get the impression from yourself
What impression??
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
why I will never visit a country which practices any such law
i dont know whether you are an american or not..just wana know tht how would u live in a country like america where govt spy on common man?is it not irritated?huh?
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Given that I am a transsexual lesbian, is that so difficult to understand?
i dont know about lesbians but yes there are transexuals in pakistan,one of the transexual was an actoress in TV dramas and performed well in famous pakistani acton drama Dhuwan[Smoke][^] so being transexual isn`t bad in any religion,a/c to my point of view,its not in someone`s hand Being homosexual is not apprecited in any religion on earth,but again ,no religion preach to kills homosexuals,and yes there are gays and lesbians in pakistan as well.
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
I don't need to troll hun. You of all people should know that
yeah,thtswhy i was surprised.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
For what its worth, if shariah were a just law committed to absolute equality and freedom of expression on all fronts for all people - regardless of gender, race, Faith or sexual orientation - I would consider it potentially just.
in similar thread,after 10-15 posts,i have repleid to jorgen about shariyah.if intrested,you may check it out shariyah is english translation of "Road" and according to Islam,it means " road to guidance" you may say arabic translation of any law..like US law, EUropen law,canadian law etc... yes shariah give rights to women like divorce,working outside etc etc, you can`t blame Knife cos a man was injurted due to it,knife is a tool,it could be used to cut fruits as well as fingures,upto you:),hope you got me.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
However I get the impression from yourself
What impression??
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
why I will never visit a country which practices any such law
i dont know whether you are an american or not..just wana know tht how would u live in a country like america where govt spy on common man?is it not irritated?huh?
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Given that I am a transsexual lesbian, is that so difficult to understand?
i dont know about lesbians but yes there are transexuals in pakistan,one of the transexual was an actoress in TV dramas and performed well in famous pakistani acton drama Dhuwan[Smoke][^] so being transexual isn`t bad in any religion,a/c to my point of view,its not in someone`s hand Being homosexual is not apprecited in any religion on earth,but again ,no religion preach to kills homosexuals,and yes there are gays and lesbians in pakistan as well.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
in similar thread,after 10-15 posts,i have repleid to jorgen about shariyah.if intrested,you may check it out shariyah is english translation of "Road" and according to Islam,it means " road to guidance" you may say arabic translation of any law..like US law, EUropen law,canadian law etc... yes shariah give rights to women like divorce,working outside etc etc, you can`t blame Knife cos a man was injurted due to it,knife is a tool,it could be used to cut fruits as well as fingures,upto you,hope you got me.
Thanks. I'll have a read. :) If I understand you correctly, you are saying that what is termed sharia law when applied in various nations around the world (including some provinces in Pakistan, I believe) is not that, but something masquerading as it? That being the case, does true shariah law give men and women equal protection and rights under the law? (including within marriage...e.g. does a woman and her husband have the same rights, and neither is considered superior or inferior to the other?) What's your take on laws enforced in (for example) Saudi Arabia which ban women from driving and effectively force them to wear a ritualised form of dress (which surely should be a personal choice, not one mandated by law or society)?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i dont know whether you are an american or not..just wana know tht how would u live in a country like america where govt spy on common man?is it not irritated?huh?
Not quite...I'm a Northumbrian by Birth - I come from North East England, but I've lived and worked in the South East for the past 20 years. If you know anything about us as a nation, the one thing you'll know is that we don't particularly care for authority and generally treat our governments with the contempt they earn by their actions. Governments of other nations get equally disdainful treatment too... ;P
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i dont know about lesbians but yes there are transexuals in pakistan,one of the transexual was an actoress in TV dramas and performed well in famous pakistani acton drama Dhuwan[Smoke][^] so being transexual isn`t bad in any religion,a/c to my point of view,its not in someone`s hand
Oh there are plenty of us around, alright:
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When this[^] have understood what i am trying to say,why are you having difficulty to get it? obviously,you are a dumbass or i say some orthodox christian who believes that Christianity is the only true religion on earth(day dreaming)
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i say some orthodox christian who believes that Christianity is the only true religion on earth(day dreaming)
Are you claiming not to believe that Islam is the 'only true religion' ? Any religion that actually defines the path to God, immediately defines all the other options as being wrong. That's just logical. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i say some orthodox christian who believes that Christianity is the only true religion on earth(day dreaming)
Are you claiming not to believe that Islam is the 'only true religion' ? Any religion that actually defines the path to God, immediately defines all the other options as being wrong. That's just logical. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
nope i am not,but yes i am claiming that i won`t make any such claim agasint some non-muslim that He is kafir(infidel),therefore he will go hell,we are asked not to say Infidel to non-muslims as it only God knows what is inside his heart,it has happened many times that lots of converts didnt announce it due to some circumstance around them. you wana say that religions manipulate the *path* of God?
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nope i am not,but yes i am claiming that i won`t make any such claim agasint some non-muslim that He is kafir(infidel),therefore he will go hell,we are asked not to say Infidel to non-muslims as it only God knows what is inside his heart,it has happened many times that lots of converts didnt announce it due to some circumstance around them. you wana say that religions manipulate the *path* of God?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
you wana say that religions manipulate the *path* of God?
They distort and obsfucate it. They cannot change it. So, you don't believe that Islam is THE path to God, but rather A path to God ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
you wana say that religions manipulate the *path* of God?
They distort and obsfucate it. They cannot change it. So, you don't believe that Islam is THE path to God, but rather A path to God ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
as I already mentioned,i would not publicized it
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as I already mentioned,i would not publicized it
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Does that mean that you do believe Islam is the true path to God, but you're ashamed to say so publically ? Why would you not want to publicise your views ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Does that mean that you do believe Islam is the true path to God, but you're ashamed to say so publically ? Why would you not want to publicise your views ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
well because not everyone here keeps same opinion like me as they are not muslims i am not ashamed,rather reserved ,my saying that "Islam is truth" rest is fake could be hurtful for non-Islamic person,that`s all and most important that,A sensible person wouldn`t believe in words of individuals like me,he or she would prefer to read source rahtering believe in someone, for instance one wouldn`t consider christianity a true religion coz u announced it here. my religion teaches me NOT to say Infidel to a non-muslim too as i am not the person who knows what is inside the heart of a person,maybe he wants to hide his belief due to certain reasons.
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