If You Had It To Do Again...
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Would you develop a website using Microsoft tools, with all the incredible learning curve and expense? Or would you just go the easy - but effective - route and use the WordPress solution your client's hosting provider offers as a development platform? I've got the Microsoft tools in Visual Studio, and I've got the Adobe tools in the Creative Suite, and I'm not too fond of either. I can use them, but it's a huge effort, usually on my own time, to get up to speed and fairly proficient after a long break. My new employer needs a website that works - it's currently crippled with almost no functionality - and I'm the only one to do it. The current site was done with WordPress, but never completed. And some of their suppliers offer APIs to link with their online ordering systems to make sales on behalf of the affiliate members. Most of those are written using WordPress, so I'm going to have to deal with that sometime... Given that there's going to be a huge learning curve for me to come up to speed on modern versions of any of these platforms, which would you recommend that I choose for my employer's new website? Will Rogers never met me.
Have you tried Python's Django? Quickest damned web site I've even seen, and surprised nobody's mentioned it. The longest task was introducing myself to PostgreSQL.
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It all comes down to what you need, as usual. If it is just to display some marketing content with a few forms to get some customers in contact - wordpress all the way. There's loads of templates out there, and if you can't find one that fits you can find people that produce wordpress templates for you for very small amounts of money. WordPress is all yucky, and you'll need to take a shower afterwards, but you'll be up and going so quickly with a pretty great result. I inherited the management of a WordPress site that made use of the Advanced Custom Fields plugin. You can attach any sort of fields to any post type (blog, page etc). It made getting a UI to edit content so simple, and the backend php was a breeze to copy and paste to get going. Each time I tinker with it I mentally recoil in horror at just how much boilerplate I'd have to write to get the same effect in asp.net MVC. If you're after something a bit less one-size-fits-all, I'd go for a static site generator. Theres LOADS of them out there. Set up your templates, content markdown, run a command, and out pops regular plain html read to be statically served. But for a complete web app - I can't go past asp.net. I love the debugging experience. Node in vscode is almost as nice, but I'm just not as familiar with it.
+5 for the sensible answer.
Jeremy Falcon
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Would you develop a website using Microsoft tools, with all the incredible learning curve and expense? Or would you just go the easy - but effective - route and use the WordPress solution your client's hosting provider offers as a development platform? I've got the Microsoft tools in Visual Studio, and I've got the Adobe tools in the Creative Suite, and I'm not too fond of either. I can use them, but it's a huge effort, usually on my own time, to get up to speed and fairly proficient after a long break. My new employer needs a website that works - it's currently crippled with almost no functionality - and I'm the only one to do it. The current site was done with WordPress, but never completed. And some of their suppliers offer APIs to link with their online ordering systems to make sales on behalf of the affiliate members. Most of those are written using WordPress, so I'm going to have to deal with that sometime... Given that there's going to be a huge learning curve for me to come up to speed on modern versions of any of these platforms, which would you recommend that I choose for my employer's new website? Will Rogers never met me.
It really depends on how much the business is willing to spend on it (time/money wise).
Jeremy Falcon
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Would you develop a website using Microsoft tools, with all the incredible learning curve and expense? Or would you just go the easy - but effective - route and use the WordPress solution your client's hosting provider offers as a development platform? I've got the Microsoft tools in Visual Studio, and I've got the Adobe tools in the Creative Suite, and I'm not too fond of either. I can use them, but it's a huge effort, usually on my own time, to get up to speed and fairly proficient after a long break. My new employer needs a website that works - it's currently crippled with almost no functionality - and I'm the only one to do it. The current site was done with WordPress, but never completed. And some of their suppliers offer APIs to link with their online ordering systems to make sales on behalf of the affiliate members. Most of those are written using WordPress, so I'm going to have to deal with that sometime... Given that there's going to be a huge learning curve for me to come up to speed on modern versions of any of these platforms, which would you recommend that I choose for my employer's new website? Will Rogers never met me.
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I prefer using notepad++ (a simple word processor) instead of some Microsoft tools. :~
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VS Code is getting very good as well. Very extension based, to adapt to your language and style.
Follow my adventures with .NET Core at my new blog, Erisia Information Services.
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While I usually have a strong opinion one way or the other, in this case, it depends. If I'm doing a basically static site, WordPress, SquareSpace, etc, are great for putting together something that looks decent. If it's a small site I'm building from scratch that requires a database, business logic, etc., then I use C#/.NET and my own server code (I don't even tie in to IIS.) So that's a partial "Microsoft tools." I haven't needed to use EF, Razor, ASP.NET, because I'm not very fond of them, but since the rest of the Microsoft world goes one of those routes, I end up having to use them occasionally. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
These days I only use Razor to render my Angular templates. I do that to leverage the Data Annotations metadata, like 'Display Name', or 'DataType', etc. The data goes straight to the Angular module from a Web API.
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If it's already half-done in wordpress, why triple your pain?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
At this point, it's far less than half done. There's a front page with pictures and that's about it! Will Rogers never met me.
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While I usually have a strong opinion one way or the other, in this case, it depends. If I'm doing a basically static site, WordPress, SquareSpace, etc, are great for putting together something that looks decent. If it's a small site I'm building from scratch that requires a database, business logic, etc., then I use C#/.NET and my own server code (I don't even tie in to IIS.) So that's a partial "Microsoft tools." I haven't needed to use EF, Razor, ASP.NET, because I'm not very fond of them, but since the rest of the Microsoft world goes one of those routes, I end up having to use them occasionally. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
The owner is virtually computer illiterate, but has grandiose dreams. It's a gun shop, and the way that business works, there are a half dozen or so large distributors that the manufacturers sell to, and small shops have to get their stock from those dealers. At least one of them offers a direct sales solution for dealers to integrate into their individual websites; it displays that distributor's products, accepts orders and payments from online customers, then ships the product to the local dealer for background checks and final tender to the local customer. I think that's a great solution, but it's going to create a need for some detailed integration, and I suspect I'll want to use whatever technology the distributor uses for integration ease. But the other distributors don't all carry the same product lines, and don't offer a prebuilt solution we can hook into, so presenting their products will require a bunch of work. Then there's the in-store inventory, which someone will have to photograph and maintain in the online catalog... I don't have much experience with WordPress or other quick and dirty solutions, but I doubt very much that any of them can handle much in the way of complexity. In fact, thinking about it since my first post, I'm leaning toward trying a MVC approach, with a different model for each source of product, including the store stock as a separate vendor. Scary. I was hoping this would be a simple thing, especially since I was hired to sell and repair guns. :~ Will Rogers never met me.
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Have you tried Python's Django? Quickest damned web site I've even seen, and surprised nobody's mentioned it. The longest task was introducing myself to PostgreSQL.
Follow my adventures with .NET Core at my new blog, Erisia Information Services.
Never heard of it before, Brady, but it does look interesting! Thanks for the suggestion. :-D Will Rogers never met me.
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It really depends on how much the business is willing to spend on it (time/money wise).
Jeremy Falcon
The company is willing and able to spend very little money, but it can spend as much time as it takes to get it done. I get a very tiny wage for sales and gunsmithing, and I'm expected to get this working in my 'spare' time. On the flip side, once it's working I'll be splitting the net with the company, so it's in my best interest to get it running soon. :-D Will Rogers never met me.
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It all comes down to what you need, as usual. If it is just to display some marketing content with a few forms to get some customers in contact - wordpress all the way. There's loads of templates out there, and if you can't find one that fits you can find people that produce wordpress templates for you for very small amounts of money. WordPress is all yucky, and you'll need to take a shower afterwards, but you'll be up and going so quickly with a pretty great result. I inherited the management of a WordPress site that made use of the Advanced Custom Fields plugin. You can attach any sort of fields to any post type (blog, page etc). It made getting a UI to edit content so simple, and the backend php was a breeze to copy and paste to get going. Each time I tinker with it I mentally recoil in horror at just how much boilerplate I'd have to write to get the same effect in asp.net MVC. If you're after something a bit less one-size-fits-all, I'd go for a static site generator. Theres LOADS of them out there. Set up your templates, content markdown, run a command, and out pops regular plain html read to be statically served. But for a complete web app - I can't go past asp.net. I love the debugging experience. Node in vscode is almost as nice, but I'm just not as familiar with it.
The owner wants a store front, unfortunately, drawing from multiple suppliers' online catalogs. I'm guessing that WordPress isn't going to be up to the challenge, other than to present a home page with general information and links to our Store. The Store itself will have to be hand tailored, probably using ASP.Net, since that's the only tool I am familiar with and have on hand. I've got Dreamweaver, too, but I always feel I need to wash my hands after I open it. X| Will Rogers never met me.
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The owner is virtually computer illiterate, but has grandiose dreams. It's a gun shop, and the way that business works, there are a half dozen or so large distributors that the manufacturers sell to, and small shops have to get their stock from those dealers. At least one of them offers a direct sales solution for dealers to integrate into their individual websites; it displays that distributor's products, accepts orders and payments from online customers, then ships the product to the local dealer for background checks and final tender to the local customer. I think that's a great solution, but it's going to create a need for some detailed integration, and I suspect I'll want to use whatever technology the distributor uses for integration ease. But the other distributors don't all carry the same product lines, and don't offer a prebuilt solution we can hook into, so presenting their products will require a bunch of work. Then there's the in-store inventory, which someone will have to photograph and maintain in the online catalog... I don't have much experience with WordPress or other quick and dirty solutions, but I doubt very much that any of them can handle much in the way of complexity. In fact, thinking about it since my first post, I'm leaning toward trying a MVC approach, with a different model for each source of product, including the store stock as a separate vendor. Scary. I was hoping this would be a simple thing, especially since I was hired to sell and repair guns. :~ Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
and don't offer a prebuilt solution we can hook into
Which always surprises me, that sites don't have some sort of a REST API for maintaining their products and exposing their products to third parties. It makes me wonder how they update their own site.
Roger Wright wrote:
I'm leaning toward trying a MVC approach, with a different model for each source of product, including the store stock as a separate vendor. Scary.
A very reasonable approach, IMO, but gads, if you start dealing with screen scraping, the nightmare that'll be when the third party changes their layout. Maybe there's a much larger business opportunity here, to talk everyone into contracting you to write something sane. I mean, wasn't that what the holy grail of web services was supposed to be all about?
Roger Wright wrote:
especially since I was hired to sell and repair guns.
See what happens when you mention you have skills in other areas? ;) Marc
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