Marc Clifton wrote: Are these missing the mark somehow? Mike Barnhart wrote: and then have the tool build the stubs for both the server and client in the language their staff is expert in. Yes there are some editors out their. But last time I looked they did not finish the job, in creating the base code. I will state that it has been awhile, so I guess it is time for me to look again. I will see how much free time I have, given it my daughters birthday, it may not be much this weekend. I had looked at CapeSciences (July 2003) but had a legal issue. If my memory is correct having to use gSOAP to finish the task was a show stopper. I also found a second option (do not remember the name but also was a GPL lic issue.) So I did leave off a NO GPL restriction in my environment. Do not remember if it was CapeScience or one of the others but it was very irritating to have to jump to a dos shell and run some JAVA apps to do part of the processing. I do have my standards. :rolleyes: Altova's WSDL is new. It had been looked at but found a flaw in it's handling of attributes but that was also 2 version ago and not revisited. It does state external tools to create the stub code to build on also. Your third link just goes back to CapeScience. So, Ok I need to back and reevaluate, the world may have changed some in the last year. The missing part was (non-Java, non-GPL) clean code generation. Marc Clifton wrote: If they are, maybe I'll write one to suit your needs. You had started on one, Right? <update> Well thanks to some serious heart burn I was able to look over some options. Here is my 2 cents: 1) CapeScience is the same as that I looked at last July. At the time was the best editor but did not complete the job I wanted with my enviroment restrictions. For others it may be fine. 2) XMLSPY has several new feature but, I just hate the interface. It is simply not intuitive. It should be obvious how to add a child element. I simply do not find this to be the case. Also I do not like the graphics display not including the element attributes. For some of my documentation I must have this. Ok I am picky but it is my money and choice. 3) Stylus Studio has also added some new feature. One from reading the web site does not create a WSDL, but it does allow configuration of the service and supports .net and Apache Ant. SO that may be totally satisfactory for me. I have an older version (4). Need to take a c