Of course! The mindset of the frameworks is: "JavaScript sucks! So MOAR JavaScript." Is this not ironic? Vanilla JS is a complete paradigm shift. When you write C#, would you write it like you write Python? A good craftsman never blames the tool.

1. Decouple vanilla JavaScript from DOM JavaScript 2) Write unit tests 3) Repeat :cool:

In 8th grade (around 13, maybe?) took a computer programming class in QBasic. The functional programming style coupled with solving problems got me hooked. I took Algebra for the first time in my life that same semester. It was life changing.

Let's see, there is ASP.NET Core, ASP.NET WebForms, ASP.NET MVC, ASP.NET 4.6, straight up middleware like OWIN. Yes! The possibilities are endless. ;P

Yes, I don't know what's worse n00bs who cobble programs or advise on learning programming

Found myself cleaning the back of the fridge, replacing water filters, onto grilling and replacing lightbulbs :cool:

27, and looking to pay off the mortgage outright after 6 years.

Real cool dude, seriously :cool:

K&R comes to mind. Best book ever crafted! The first to introduce to the world a "Hello, World" in pure C :cool:

No worries, just like me and that lander. Feet per second not meters per second. Doh!

YUS!!! Just in time for bash Ubuntu on Windows 10 :cool:

Am I the only one who gets excited when it works in another's machine? I mean, there is always that sense of mystery and "did I do that?"

Noooooooooooo! :(( Dude, way too young

Excellent point. jQuery I feel has taken me down the wrong path, specifically around unit testability. Say:

$('#first').text('stuff');

It looks nice, but how do I unit test this? How about:

function fillWithStuff(el) {
el.innerHTML = 'stuff';
}

The beauty here is I have a testable component. This testable component is not tight-coupled to the DOM. All I need is a simple mock like

{}

So:

function testMyStuff() {
var mock = {};
fillWithStuff(mock);
console.log(mock.innerHTML === 'stuff');
}()

Yea jQuery is cool and all. But I once looked at the code I was writing and couldn't stop seeing where it was taking me. I like writing modules I can test in isolation that aren't tightly-coupled to any DOM. JavaScript is way more beautiful like that. :cool:

I'm more on the "no frameworks" bandwagon now. If you want it done well, do it yourself.

Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:

a team fits in a Land Rover with bench seats

YUS!!! I've seen many companies implement "agile" with no real concept of what a team is. I think this practical approach speaks wisdom. :)

I use POP3 on Windows 10 so I know that was patently false. Talk about 'antediluvian', pretty sure POP3 is older than me. :laugh:

Dude, Windows 7 is over a decade old now. Let go already! There is no point in holding onto antediluvian technology.

Hear, hear! 800 line switch statement?? Pffft, hey it compiles to key / value pair so it performs. :laugh:

Definitely: "I am a shrubberer, I make and design shrubberies. My name is Roger the Shrubber."