I think we basically agree. I do believe most people want similar things, and peacefully. I guess I'm more skeptical that we can pull it off for any meaningful, extended period of time is all. JimRivera wrote: he said he'd stop crime and make new york a nice place to live I grew up on the Island and in CT, but moved down to SC early 90's. I'm always impressed at the changes made in NYC when go up to visit. Great town! BW The Biggest Loser "Farm Donkey makes us laugh. Farm Donkey hauls some ass." -The Stoves

Is this is an anthology of interest?[^] :rolleyes: -- Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.

Thanks alot for the response i thought in terms of coverage and skill it showed the best bang for buck, thanks for the OSS idea, it lead me to sun's certs. Now time to get alot of studying done . X| Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain

Silly article. A Volvo and a Dodge pickup are both cars. -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter

I think Jim should record a version and link the mp3 into his profile. :wtf:

Probably the same thing that happened to me when I installed the latest DX. I am now using the debug dlls when I use DX, and just about every piece of DVD software I run gives me endless assert messages, chances to debug. But WTL isn't COM, so perhaps it's something different. I'd guess it's related though ( installation of debug libraries, etc. ) Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder

First, if you are talking C#/VB.NET, you are talking .NET frameworks. You will not run C# without .NET, so that isolates the question to .NET programming. Currently in .NET, it is a pain to write code in C++. MS is helping to make life easier in thier next Visual Studio and .NET V2.0 for those that do not wish to move to another language and still use C++. After being a C/C++ programmer for about two decades, it was nice to hear there is still hope for C++ in the .NET world. That said though, I do not expect a large number of developers to be writing .NET applications using C++. The code is more steamline and easier to maintain in the other langauges (read as C# for me ;) ) and spending the extra time to build C++ application on .NET is not worth it for the types of applications you would build with .NET. As for jobs, on Windows based systems, C++ offers will be few and far between. Mainly drivers or games but usually not dealing with .NET. Some will argue, but so far the employment outlook of upper salary positions is the greatest with C#. The main concern is that you know the .NET frameworks, the langauge can be picked up in a few weeks, but the framework is huge! As for productivity, even after about 20 years of C/C++, I can build more robust stable applications in .NET/C# than I would have built in C++/MFC/Win32 and do that in a fraction of the time. Maintaining code is better and debugging is reduced to practically nothing. Anyway, the main question is your target. If you are looking into the crystal ball for C++, it will probably be Linux/Unix, or device drivers, games and CAD for Windows. If I were a new programmer coming into the field and desired a MS platform, I would be C#/.NET in a heart beat and never look back! Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com