Yes, I fully agree. I wouldn't install any of those CTP versions, just those that I am really forced to, to save myself more trouble afterwards, but in general I can really not lose this much time for a simple installation or update. Anyways, maybe that one is not the worse. I see colleagues using C++ are struggling to get bitmaps into the menus....and this is year 2007...or crapload of articles like "How do I make my static control transparent in Visual C++", like it is a science, or God forbid somebody includes it as a design time property option...so I guess its okay, as long as there are people suffering even more. :) Cheers.