Tibor Blazko wrote: real version of "obladioblada" does not start from g but b Yes , the Beatles did a lot of their stuff in Bb and Eb and it was really difficult to play. I believe that they actually tuned the guitars wrong, or used a capo, to change the pitch to better match their singing range. There's nothing wrong with transposing to a different key if that makes it easier to play. A tuning fork isn't any harder to hear than an electronic tuner when used correctly, but if you don't have an ear that can hear the difference note neither does much good.:-O "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.