If you use the solution explorer, it'll highlight the current file, and if you hover the mouse over the tab, it'll show the full path... maybe consider using shorter names? like maybe acronyms ;)

Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

2. The Intellisense-thingie works at times, but not always. Mostly, it doesn't work. If I type in "System." and wait for 2 seconds (yeah, right - I could very well type "out" in that time), it shows me "out". After typing "System.out." nothing happens, however long you wait.

No one ever said java was fast ;P one of the reasons I don't use it :doh:

Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

3. Creating a new project is *very* unintuitive. I had somebody who works in Java import the files for me before I got started. In VS .NET, all you have to do is double-click the .sln file#.

Wonder if they even use it :laugh: if its so counter-intuitive, makes you wonder... ;)

Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

And don't even get me started on the Java coding convention. { on the same line as the if/for/method header, else on the same line as the if's terminating }, and catch on the same line as the try's terminating }. Sheesh! Are they still still stuck in the 80x25 DOS world, where a few new line characters will add to the file size and stuff their hard disks? We have HDs with 100s of GB and monitors that support a bajillion pixels. Be proud of your code, and space it out; don't cramp it.

oh, they're just trying to make their code more vbish... you know, fit everything block-related on one line, *trying* to make it look more stylish ;P That annoys me too though... I put each of my brackets on its own line :) Different conventions I guess :sigh: nothing wrong with it... just another convention. they might be annoyed by the other way too ;P

:laugh: I never noticed it didn't put it there... I don't bother looking at the title bar to see what I'm editing ;P Thats what the tabs are for ;)

Well, in principle the registry is a great idea... but in effect it does not work well :( too many programs leave junk behind where it should not. X| I think the whole system should be reworked and security more strictly enforced.

Yeah C# and vb are pretty much interchangable. There are some miniscule differences in the il they generate (which has to do with what it is supposed to do with it) but other than that its pretty much a line-per-line equivalence :) like one of the differences is with equality comparision... string equality under vb dictates that "" = nothing, but not under C#. oh and vb gives the option of having implicit declarations and the such... Might work for learning, but it gets annoying to find bugs - just turn option explicit & option strict on as the project defaults and its good to use :cool: People who make a fuss about it will throw an fit about little differences like that, but... all in all, it won't affect much - they are almost identical. As for reasons people don't like using vb... Many people grew up with cish languages... C/C++, java, etc... So yeah, its much easier for them to use C# - its what they are used to. vb would involve learning less familiar keywords. Also, vb has improved much over time... some people are still comparing new products to old old versions... like vb 6... 4... 1... Qbasic... OLD VB CLONES THAT DON'T WORK RIGHT (stares at some people)

Its a matter of what the mouse substitute is and how used to it you are... for example, the button ones are... not good. the touchpad ones actually aren't bad... I prefer touchpads over regular mice in most cases - provided its not external ;P

Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

No surprises about VB.NET I have seen many former VB programmers moving to C#.

and vice versa ;P

Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

I have serious doubts about some of the statistics that is presented.

oh, statistics :rolleyes: just pick an appropriate sampling and you can have it say whatever you want.

There is two things that I find slightly annoying with vb... 1) can't customize for loop much 2) methods that return a value create a variable for it automatically I suspect that #2 will be resolved soon, and the for loop in vb is actually advantageous over the cish one in some cases. Most cases its fine, but in others you have to implement a little work-around with while loops. (not as icky as some java work-arounds during debugging ;P) Anyway, basing your argument on disliking an option isn't too good... I personally can't stand implicit code... and I like verbosity. As such, my default language of choice is vb ;P The fact of it being off is possibly because its Visual Beginner's All-Purpose Symbollic Instruction Code? As in, its configured by default for ease of use for people learning, and more advanced users can manipulate the options to fit them better :rolleyes: Options are good. What you do with them is what makes the difference ;) One should not attempt to counter bias with counter-bias. Countering bias with bias does not cancel out the bias, but increase it.

It persists fine for me :omg:

wow. Thats so recursively wrong. So... a managed os would require a runtime... therefore the os technically should be the runtime... which in turn isn't managed... so... yada yada yada ;P

doubtful. windows isn't even ms' only os.

nothing new... the site is registered to tucows ;)

My impressions: There is compact, in a good, to the point way (Cish - mostly to the point anyway... some redundancy) There is verbose, in a good, more readable way (VB) And there is excessive verbosity... and i'd say plain english falls in this category ;P VB is almost english... think of things in a wee bit different order, get a bit more to the point, etc... seems that plain english just uses more syntax to do less :sigh: Still requires formatting things in a specific way, right? Even if it is somewhat flexible ... If it could take the specifications & make code out of it though... now that would be more impressive ;P

hmmm now how to slip it on their machines without them suspecting... not that many would notice :laugh:

code-frog wrote:

Which language did you first learn programming in?

Turbobasic

code-frog wrote:

Which language did you sweat bullets in for the first time? (What language was your trial by fire? Your very first maximum stress experience...)

C++. objects never worked well in that language :( too much of a hack job. plain C is much better :sigh:

code-frog wrote:

If you knew pressure was coming which language would you be more inclined to have at your back? Not necessarily your favorite but the one you know best.

VB.NET (currently 2005) - works expectedly, can make relatively complicated programs in a short amount of time. if its not too big, asm is pretty good too :D but if time is an issue... defintely vb :)

If you don't mind something sticking out, you could get an "extension" thing.. sort of like a Y-splitter (two-fer, whatever you want to call it :rolleyes: ) only maybe one only? that way, since something is plugged in, it won't play unless you have something plugged into the extension as well :)

Nothing much complicated about it... Stuff is available for a price, people complain its not available for free, if its available for free people complain its driving others out of business (of course open source clones are exempt :rolleyes: ) So either way people complain :suss: Then again, you could think grander... make something better to outdo something else... then the original one has to be improved, etc... its called competition :cool: Think about it... improvements are made more willingly/quickly if theres competition ;) Granted, knocking off the peak can be somewhat harder... but all the more reason to make it better ;) Anyway, ms doesn't make everything, and ms isn't the best at all of what they do (whatever your definition may be of "best") - there are often free alternatives to much of the software that is available for a price, yet not much is said about it unless its by say, microsoft. Who says that it applies to all platforms though ;P not like ms is going to make all that much stuff for linux any time soon :rolleyes: and considering the general public using linux, no suprise ;P As for them having it available for free... some people use the argument that its not available for free (how odd... the same argument used for both sides :omg: ) It does need a platform to run on after all... and typically the platform (windows) isn't too cheap ;P I suppose you could run it under other platforms (such as linux using wine) but how many people are really going to do that? Overpriced os + (some) "underpriced" software? maybe it helps even it out *some*? People are always going to be anti-ms... no matter how good or how stupid some of the stuff is that they make :rolleyes: Now where would linux be if it weren't for microsoft anyway :rolleyes: at some level or other it benefits both sides... whether you like it or not.

Yeah, message boxes are often overused... If used appropriately, they are fine. They should not be used for every little detail (like status messages) but if there is an error that prevents it from working, putting it in the person's face can help - have them be annoyed because it didn't tell them something didn't work/needs their input, or have them be annoyed because it made it plain and clear that something didn't work/needs their input. If its not important, and can function fine without it, a message box is probably not necessary. As for a program that overuses message boxes... back when I took a course on java, well... to illustrate: randomly during its execution (no predictable causes known) it would cause an error. It wouldn't just tell you once, it had to tell you TWENTY FIVE TIMES!!!! May not have been the same message each time, but 25 consecutive messageboxes informing of an error is ridiculous :suss: And, to make things worse... You couldn't compile anymore after that... Once that happened, it would happen again every time until you rebooted. Restarting the jvm doesn't help either, you had to do a full reboot. why they insist on using that ide I don't know... but of course their software policies forbid installing a different one :suss: Its not like that ide is anything special :| all it has is syntax highlighting - Ooooo special :rolleyes: It does support some icky method of debugging, better than nothing I suppose - but still, why don't they just use eclipse :|

meh... every system has its oddities... like in german (and probably other languages too), the 1's place is typically said after the 10's place, but all other digits are read in order from largest to smallest :confused: And the us probably won't convert to the metric system much sooner than people in england will drive on the right side :laugh: at least (most of) the scientific aspects of math are done with the metric system :)

Michel Prévost wrote:

The problem with MS is that they are so f***ing rich they kill competition.

wow. accusing others of being rich? what are they supposed to do, give more stuff away for free? so even more companies go out of business :rolleyes: As for netscape, have you used the old version from way back then? Not suprising it came to be the less popular one... though then ms left ie to rot ;P At least they are putting some money back into ie now ;P might take (a little) money away from all the other projects ;P

Michel Prévost wrote:

When that day comes, they control the world, because we are so dependant on computers now. We have to do something, and the US won't move a finger to stop that, in the name of the sacro-saint "Free Market".

There are special regulations for monopolies ;)

Michel Prévost wrote:

If they have to become the only software provider, they have to open their source code.

In other words... YOU'RE TOO SUCCESSFUL!!! I DEMAND THAT YOU SHARE YOUR SECRET!!! (don't bother asking for ours... we just want yours ;P)