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Christian Graus wrote: Do people kill random strangers with alcohol ? Sure, some do, they drive drunk. Do they do it deliberately though ? While I have been in CA, there have been 2 major cases of people purposefully driving their cars into crowds, each killing around 10 people and hurting 10s of others. IIRC, alcohol was involved, and so was intent. Do I randomly kill strangers with my guns? No. If you are not willing to take cars from people for the same reason, why should you take guns? Christian Graus wrote: I have no problem with that, I don't drink. Huh. You don't want people to take your money, but you are OK with taking other people's guns and alcohol. I'm still seeing a trend here. Christian Graus wrote: ROTFL !!!! NZ is, but what do you expect ? I am Australian. Sorry, Tasmania. I forgot which island you lived on. :-O Christian Graus wrote: RichardM1 wrote: How come you keep complaining about the US? I don't. You mean you aren't in this thread. You complain about the US much more than I complain about New Zealand Albania let me check my notes, oh Australia. Christian Graus wrote: RichardM1 wrote: Maybe you have the indicator backwards, maybe having big families is an indicator of lack of education, a major factor in going on welfare That's not even worth responding to. WTF, Christian? You make one of the most elementary errors of statistical analysis, and you won't even address it? That means you look at the data to support your argument, and aren't listening to what else it could say, not to mention understanding correlations vs causality. Christian Graus wrote: The vast majority of people in Australia go to public schools. I did. While I actually put that in as a swipe at CSS from the other thread, you do bring up a good point. Clearly, Oz public schools are fail these people by teaching them to come up with the wrong solution to the cost benefit equation. Christian Graus wrote

Stephen Hewitt wrote: If there's a revolution perhaps you'll have more pressing concerns. Not Captain SeeVee, he exists only as a comment on a forum. Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.

Alex hogarth wrote: Freedom for tooting But not between 10pm and 8am. Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.

fat_boy wrote: Its a nice cute cuddly theory whcih better represents mans sentimentality rather than the reality of the planet. You are confusing the Gaia hypothesis with the beliefs of the New Agers who espouse their interpretation of that hypothesis. Bloody Golding, theosomorphing a feedback system. Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.

josda1000 wrote: You made the claim that it's not correct. In response to your claim. You cant twist this any other way. You made a claim, I refuted it, you can attempt to back it up or not. I dont really care. josda1000 wrote: Are you just here to give me a hard time? It really seems that way. If that's the case, I'm not laughing. oh no. josda1000 wrote: Josh Gray wrote: I think they're a good thing and necessary for the kind of society I like to live in. Josh Gray wrote: useless rhetoric. Damned right. I know you are but what am I?

Second-to-last sentence of the first section, just before the "Effects" part. EDIT: Oh, nevermind... Didn't see your other post Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

"How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Money. Lots and lots of money." -- St. Robin (Williams) Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

ragnaroknrol wrote: You are rationalizing past the basic argument. I know, I went on a rampage lol But, I don't think it's without merit. ragnaroknrol wrote: Our country is founded on a belief that people should not be given laws without a say in the government. We fought with England over this. Self-governance is a major point. You're damned right! But this is why they left the Congress to govern over 10 square miles fully. Basically, the people there are Subjects, as opposed to our common term of People. They could have left the Capital as Philadelphia, why not? ragnaroknrol wrote: We have a city that represented itself in all things except 1 area. It could not elect the chief executive of the country. Every person in that city had no say whatsoever in that decision. And they didn't have representatives or Senators either for some time, and they still do not vote. It's good for them to have a say, I definitely agree, but they don't have voting rights, and that's actually IMO a good thing. DC is supposed to remind the states of how they should not operate. They should always have a say in everything they do (states, people). It serves as a reminder of the tyranny of the past, and honestly I don't see why people DO live in the capital area. It looks like crap, too much government, and not enough people. This is my argument. ragnaroknrol wrote: you effectively want a dead city if people want to have a say I want that city to not exist, is what I'm saying (meaning, the capital can stay put but people should GTFO). ragnaroknrol wrote: we should not tell people where they can live if they want a voice You're right, that is the point of freedom isn't it? To be free from tyranny? But, with freedom comes responsibility. People moved from China to escape tyranny. People should drive five miles to escape tyranny. We can't tell them where to live... but they have to figure it out for themselves. I know that sounds oppressive... but think of the way the colonies were oppressed for 200 years without revolution until it just got so bad that they finally broke out of their shell. ragnaroknrol wrote: If you can't see how telling someone i

:thumbsup: If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

Oh - yeah, Iron Maiden use those, I noticed. I thought a PAF was a normal sized humbucker in the classic 50s style. Either way, I know some guitars mix single coil and humbucker, but, to me, a strat is a single coil guitar. I have a Les Paul if I want a humbucking sound ( actually, most of my guitars have humbuckers, so the reason I have a strat is for single coil, perhaps that's why I think this way about it ) Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

Christian Graus wrote: You're saying that for cultural reasons, gold has intrinsic worth That is correct. European culture valued it while Aztec culture didnt. Despite that it was used for the same thing, ie decoration. Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

Christian Graus wrote: put it away and leave me alone... :laugh: :laugh: I so wish I could 5 that!! I don't have ADHD, I have ADOS... Attention Deficit oooh SHINY!! If you like cars, check out the Booger Mobile blog | If you feel generous - make a donation to Camp Quality!!

Come to think of it have you ever seen the two of them in the same place at the same time?

You are so stupid. I can't believe you remember to breathe. Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

josda1000 wrote: Common sense is now that the world revolves around the sun. That it is the earth's rotation that gives us day and night is what has had to be explained to each and everyone, because our uneducated intuition (i.e., Common Sense) is that the sun rises and sets. josda1000 wrote: One could argue that this is correct; yes. One could argue that World War I never took place because the Austrian, British, French, German, and Russian, Empires, were on the Gold Standard and, consequently, set aside their nationalism and sought a diplomatic solution? I am sure you did not mean that. Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, and I apologize if I did. I just hope you see the whole picture, as I hope with everyone here really. Josh Davis Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.

Christian Graus wrote: At a minimum, the amendment in question does expect that your gun at home makes you able to fight a soldier from your country, or an invading country, in an open battlefield, and that is plain not true today. What are the insurgents in the middle east using that is so much better? How are they keeping us from just sweeping the country free of them? What weapons do they have that would not be available to me, if I tried? Opacity, the new Transparency.

Hmm, I am not usre the droning sound is sufficient. My wife easially gets above 125 decibels. Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

this is where the issue is, it seems to be only BP that is getting the blame,the company that ran the rig (bearing in mind that this company runs 40% of the gulf rigs and may elsewhere so can be called an expert in its field surely?) is getting away pretty scot free (at least they havent lost 1/2 there value over it) BP can be blaimed (and accept that) but thier crime is that they left the running of the rig to the supposed experts and didnt check on them sufficiently (although by all account they did run checks which were passed with flying colours - although these had to be arranged in advance so may have been fiddled!) there seems to be a disparity between the retoric aimed at a non US company comapared to the US comapany that ACTUALLY CAUSED THE DAMM PROBLEM by the way have you actual worked out the size of the spill to the size of the gulf? just compare the volume of the gulf to the size of the spill, oh and then try the same with the exxon valdez, torri canon and the spills in nigeria and you may be suppised oh and personnelly I think that BP is doing its best to stop the spill dont you? the fact that teh divice specifically desgined to prevent this has failed despite tripple redundancy is a major concern not just to BP but surely to all oil companies as the EXACT same unit is fitted to the majority of wellheads - not very comforting is it! as to stoping the flow, well you can hardly call the plumber can you! think of it as a fire hyrdrent that has had its stop taken off, your job is to stop the flow - (you cannot turn off the water) oh and to make things lifelike you have to do this from the next state, BP tried the fallback positions (have you read shell and exxon on this, they both have stated that BP followed the same path they would have done in the circumstances) and they failed, they are winging it and preying You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start

Distind wrote: As pedophiles are known for how often they chase 63 year olds. Darn, another couple of months and the pedophiles come after me? :omg: Once you agree to clans, tribes, governments...you've opted for socialism. The rest is just details.