Frank Liao wrote: Well, tell that to all the typewriter repairmen Ok, never is a bad word and I should never say never, not ever. I belive Sysadmins will be around as long as computers are around. Whatever replaces computers will have their own technicians. Just like typewriters had technicians, so do computers and so will whatever comes next. As long as the device exists, and people use it, technicians for that device will be around. Also the typewriter is different to a toaster or washing machine. Nothing has superseded a toaster or washing machine, but typewriters have been. As for Windows and *nix. X| Lets not go there. Frank Liao wrote: With Windows being easier to get things done and the new generation of users being more accustomed and knowledgeable with the computer, I may just speculate that Sys Admins will be of lower value in the future. I don't know about that. Look at all the moaning about technical support that you see, well, everywhere. Even from knowlegable guys like us there is tons of "support sucks" comments. If I had a reliable, fast and easy to access .NET support guy I would phone him virtually everyday for queries and thoughts. Computers are, at least underneath and the stuff we do, getting more complex, not less. Plus the market still is expanding so there are more developers and more need for knowledgable people. Our hosting tech guy could do with a good sysadmin to talk to. So I think there is definitley a need. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!