Science advice
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Percival Watson wrote:
I wonder if science will ever find a proof that is conclusive on God, one that every rational being will accept.
No. People's capacity for self delusion is unlimited. No matter what is discovered, there will be people that won't believe it. This is why there are people who believe that UFOs are regularly visiting Earth just to mess with hicks, that the US never went to the moon and that they are the next American Idol, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Wjousts wrote:
and that they are the next American Idol, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Sadly all the evidence shows the current American Idol had no evidence of becoming it.
regards, Percival Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Having used the g-word
I believe in a higher power. Well, doesn't Chris qualify as a higher power?:-D
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Marc Clifton wrote:
But for now, I'll sit back and enjoy watching science figure out things like dark matter and dark energy
Are you being genuine or are you hinting that science is on a wild goose chase and the answer is God? I didn't take you for the type who thinks God micromanages the universe. I took you more for the type that thinks God create the universe and its rules and then let it run. In the latter dark matter and dark energy may exist and be found by science. In the former, not.
regards, Percival Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Percival Watson wrote:
Are you being genuine or are you hinting that science is on a wild goose chase and the answer is God?
No, I was being genuine. There absolutely is a physical explanation for dark matter and dark energy. Marc
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So what's your point? That's got to be the most Milquetoast attempt at stirring up some kind of religion vs science debate/flame I've seen. Way below your usual standard. D-
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Andy Brummer wrote:
That's got to be the most Milquetoast attempt at stirring up some kind of religion vs science debate/flame I've seen.
I had no intention of stirring up a debate. I was just making a point, with regards to my opinion on the matter.
Andy Brummer wrote:
Way below your usual standard. D-
I'm full of surprises. :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Percival Watson wrote:
What is the one thing everyone should learn about science?[^]
That without God, there would be no science. Have at it, folks! Maybe someone will mark this as spam or abuse. :-D Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
without God, there would be no science.
Amen :) I find it fascinating that some feel that God should somehow be able to be described or quantified by that which He created. It's kind of like trying to use a shadow to describe the inner depths of that which cast it.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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What is the one thing everyone should learn about science?[^]
regards, Percival Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
That Paul = Percival?;P
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Andy Brummer wrote:
That's got to be the most Milquetoast attempt at stirring up some kind of religion vs science debate/flame I've seen.
I had no intention of stirring up a debate. I was just making a point, with regards to my opinion on the matter.
Andy Brummer wrote:
Way below your usual standard. D-
I'm full of surprises. :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
I was just making a point, with regards to my opinion on the matter.
You bastard! :rolleyes:
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Percival Watson wrote:
I wonder if science will ever find a proof that is conclusive on God, one that every rational being will accept.
No. People's capacity for self delusion is unlimited. No matter what is discovered, there will be people that won't believe it. This is why there are people who believe that UFOs are regularly visiting Earth just to mess with hicks, that the US never went to the moon and that they are the next American Idol, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Wjousts wrote:
that the US never went to the moon
Fixed that for ya...
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Marc Clifton wrote:
without God, there would be no science.
Amen :) I find it fascinating that some feel that God should somehow be able to be described or quantified by that which He created. It's kind of like trying to use a shadow to describe the inner depths of that which cast it.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
It's kind of like trying to use a shadow to describe the inner depths of that which cast it.
That's an interesting way of looking at it, Gary. I'll have to remember that one, thanks.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
It's kind of like trying to use a shadow to describe the inner depths of that which cast it.
That's an interesting way of looking at it, Gary. I'll have to remember that one, thanks.
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You're welcome.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Andy Brummer wrote:
That's got to be the most Milquetoast attempt at stirring up some kind of religion vs science debate/flame I've seen.
I had no intention of stirring up a debate. I was just making a point, with regards to my opinion on the matter.
Andy Brummer wrote:
Way below your usual standard. D-
I'm full of surprises. :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
I was just making a point
Again, what was the point, because I totally missed it. ;P Keep in mind that I only care about science the process, not popular culture's take on something most people don't understand.
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Percival Watson wrote:
What is the one thing everyone should learn about science?[^]
That without God, there would be no science. Have at it, folks! Maybe someone will mark this as spam or abuse. :-D Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMany seem to feel that scientists are Godless atheists with no soul. Many, many scientists see their work as bringing them closer to God - to being able to see more of His creation, to understand it at a deeper level that would otherwise be possible. Science is beautiful - it's art. You think you do well when you're in the zone coding for 16 hrs a day? Imagine focusing on a single equation, a single molecule or a single cellular structure for 20 years. Now that is focus, is passion. Is love.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Well, the sequencing around this post has gotten really screwed up. What's going on Chris?
the last thing I want to see is some pasty-faced geek with skin so pale that it's almost translucent trying to bump parts with a partner - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
Well, the sequencing around this post has become really screwed up
Just a little secret here: I actually have a big button on my screen that says "fix up forums". Sometimes I use that power for good. Sometimes for bad. I am fickle.
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Wjousts wrote:
that the US never went to the moon
Fixed that for ya...
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Cooking is not a science.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Cooking is not a science.
Depends on what you cook...cooking meth is a bit more scientific, since you need to know some chemistry to do it right. Otherwise you end up with a very impure product. Roswell
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Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
Well, the sequencing around this post has become really screwed up
Just a little secret here: I actually have a big button on my screen that says "fix up forums". Sometimes I use that power for good. Sometimes for bad. I am fickle.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
It's nice to know that you don't abuse your position.:-D
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Marc Clifton wrote:
I was just making a point
Again, what was the point, because I totally missed it. ;P Keep in mind that I only care about science the process, not popular culture's take on something most people don't understand.
Using the GridView is like trying to explain to someone else how to move a third person's hands in order to tie your shoelaces for you. -Chris Maunder
Andy Brummer wrote:
Again, what was the point, because I totally missed it.
Let me rephrase what I wrote. I was expressing my opinion.
Andy Brummer wrote:
not popular culture's take on something most people don't understand.
What I find interesting is how "learned men", such as doctors, will immediately revert to popular culture opinion on subjects that they don't understand, like computers. I would have thought that they would know better than to spout popular culture drivel about things they don't understand, given their depth of understanding and training in a specific area. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Actually, there's a lot of science surrounding cooking. For example: Did you know that the gluten in cornflower cause liquid to bind, because molecules get stuck in the long strings formed by the gluten molecules? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten[^] There's a program on discovery science that shows a lot of interesting stuff about cooking.
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WillemM wrote:
Actually, there's a lot of science surrounding cooking. For example: Did you know that the gluten in cornflower cause liquid to bind, because molecules get stuck in the long strings formed by the gluten molecules? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten\[^\]
And then in the presence of Faraday waves, cool shapes form on the surface: Faraday Waves on Cornflour[^] (YouTube) from the original research page: http://chaos.ph.utexas.edu/research/vibrated_cornstarch.htm[^]
-- Marcus Kwok
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Andy Brummer wrote:
Again, what was the point, because I totally missed it.
Let me rephrase what I wrote. I was expressing my opinion.
Andy Brummer wrote:
not popular culture's take on something most people don't understand.
What I find interesting is how "learned men", such as doctors, will immediately revert to popular culture opinion on subjects that they don't understand, like computers. I would have thought that they would know better than to spout popular culture drivel about things they don't understand, given their depth of understanding and training in a specific area. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
Let me rephrase what I wrote. I was expressing my opinion.
It doesn't matter if the statement was your belief, opinion or a joke. God as creator and science don't have anything to do with each other. If there is evidence left by the creator of the universe then science is a good tool for examining it, but it is just a tool or process. There is only one aspect of God that interferes with science. Explainer of the unknown. Such and such happened because God made it happen or willed it or whatever is not something that can be processed by science. It's just beyond the scope of the kind of questions the process can provide answers to and has to be ignored as part of the scientific process. People get into trouble when they think science provides a way to answer any question, or provides some sort of absolute truth.
Marc Clifton wrote:
I would have thought that they would know better than to spout popular culture drivel about things they don't understand, given their depth of understanding and training in a specific area.
That never stops us, does it? :-D The more you know about one subject the more you think you are an expert at everything. It's an ugly part of human nature.
I would teach the world that science is not about truth, but is about trying to get closer to the truth. - Kathy Sykes