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  • C Chris Losinger

    Chris Austin wrote:

    logo certified drivers are crap

    every time my Vista box does an automatic Windows update, it forgets about my second monitor. actually, it forgets about the first, and makes the second the primary, and refuses to acknowledge the first - until i uninstall/reinstall the display driver. quite a treat

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    Dev_Calz
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    This has something to do with the driver. It has nothing to do with vista. The drivers for vista suck right now.. That is a very big part of the issue

    Chris Calzaretta

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      So, I open up a folder on the Vista box, right click on a subfolder and select "copy" I open another folder on a different machine. Right click. Paste is gray. Repeat. Same result. Repeat. Same result. Hmmm, but I can drag and drop between the two folders without any problem. Is there some reason I should continue using this OS, when basic copy and paste folders doesn't even work? Marc

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      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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      Jorgen Sigvardsson
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      The explorer in Vista is beyond crap. :( So is the control panel and almost every other configuration dialog (except the old ones). I'm beginning to wonder what the hell Microsoft was thinking. I mean.. it is crap! It doesn't matter much how well the kernel guys did their jobs - the UI is horrible, horrible, horrible!!!

      -- My disbelief is not a belief.

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        The explorer in Vista is beyond crap. :( So is the control panel and almost every other configuration dialog (except the old ones). I'm beginning to wonder what the hell Microsoft was thinking. I mean.. it is crap! It doesn't matter much how well the kernel guys did their jobs - the UI is horrible, horrible, horrible!!!

        -- My disbelief is not a belief.

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        Chris Losinger
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        Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

        The explorer in Vista is beyond crap.

        oh god yes. the whole auto-horiz-scrolling thing, the auto-dimming on the 'arrows', the arrows themselves, the slider control to choose the view style (??? WTF ???). it's a mess.

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          This has something to do with the driver. It has nothing to do with vista. The drivers for vista suck right now.. That is a very big part of the issue

          Chris Calzaretta

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          Chris Austin
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          The issue is that this happens with supposedly certified drivers. Driver certification has become meaningless in the vista era. For as long as vista was in the works, it a crying shame that MS and the vendors didn't do a better job.

          My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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          • C Chris Losinger

            Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

            The explorer in Vista is beyond crap.

            oh god yes. the whole auto-horiz-scrolling thing, the auto-dimming on the 'arrows', the arrows themselves, the slider control to choose the view style (??? WTF ???). it's a mess.

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            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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            Chris Losinger wrote:

            the slider control to choose the view style

            what issues do have with that?

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            • P pbraun

              Sounds to me like you used the CTRL+C and then paste option. MS seems to ignore the CTRL+C sometimes even with XP. Its really annoying, but one has to deal with it. I have taken to using the menus or pressing CTRL+C multiple times. This may not help you and your situation, but it doesn't seem like it would hurt it either. Phil

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              Marc Clifton
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              pbraun wrote:

              Sounds to me like you used the CTRL+C and then paste option.

              No no no. Stop second guessing and read what I wrote. I right-clicked. I used the mouse. I selected "Copy" from the popup menu. Marc

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              • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                Chris Losinger wrote:

                the slider control to choose the view style

                what issues do have with that?

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                Chris Losinger
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                a slider is the wrong control for picking one item from a small list of items.

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                • D Dev_Calz

                  I think this falls under user error. Did you check to see if you had write permissions to the folder. I have never had a issue with copy and paste in vista

                  Chris Calzaretta

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                  Marc Clifton
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                  ccalzaretta1 wrote:

                  Did you check to see if you had write permissions to the folder.

                  Dude. Read what I wrote. :) Drag & Drop worked fine. Marc

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                  People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                  There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                  People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                  • C Chris Austin

                    The issue is that this happens with supposedly certified drivers. Driver certification has become meaningless in the vista era. For as long as vista was in the works, it a crying shame that MS and the vendors didn't do a better job.

                    My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                    Dan Neely
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                    Chris Austin wrote:

                    Driver certification has become meaningless in the vista era. For as long as vista was in the works, it a crying shame that MS and the vendors didn't do a better job.

                    Insert long and highly detailed post from Jeffry Brickley about how people like him convinced MS to change the driver model at the last minute to allow native OGL support largely forcing nVidia and ATI to restart from scratch with their development here. Blame him, not MS. :rolleyes:

                    -- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      So, I open up a folder on the Vista box, right click on a subfolder and select "copy" I open another folder on a different machine. Right click. Paste is gray. Repeat. Same result. Repeat. Same result. Hmmm, but I can drag and drop between the two folders without any problem. Is there some reason I should continue using this OS, when basic copy and paste folders doesn't even work? Marc

                      Thyme In The Country
                      Interacx

                      People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                      People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                      Raj Lal
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                      You are suppose to say "WOW" if anything like this happens because the "WOW starts NOW (Oy, That Pun Hurts) the moment you start using VISTA"

                      Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


                      Vista? Photoshop Preview Handler here

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                      • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                        The explorer in Vista is beyond crap. :( So is the control panel and almost every other configuration dialog (except the old ones). I'm beginning to wonder what the hell Microsoft was thinking. I mean.. it is crap! It doesn't matter much how well the kernel guys did their jobs - the UI is horrible, horrible, horrible!!!

                        -- My disbelief is not a belief.

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                        Marc Clifton
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                        Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

                        It doesn't matter much how well the kernel guys did their jobs - the UI is horrible, horrible, horrible!!!

                        I wish Microsoft had followed the *nix paradigm and provided the kernel and the UI as two separate pieces. Besides, that would allow others to compete for the UI development. Marc

                        Thyme In The Country
                        Interacx

                        People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                        There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                        People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                        • C Chris Losinger

                          a slider is the wrong control for picking one item from a small list of items.

                          image processing toolkits | batch image processing | blogging

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                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                          Not to mention it's damn near impossible to pick the right one on the first try. Idiotic DesignTM

                          -- Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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                          • M Marc Clifton

                            Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

                            It doesn't matter much how well the kernel guys did their jobs - the UI is horrible, horrible, horrible!!!

                            I wish Microsoft had followed the *nix paradigm and provided the kernel and the UI as two separate pieces. Besides, that would allow others to compete for the UI development. Marc

                            Thyme In The Country
                            Interacx

                            People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                            There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                            People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                            Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                            They ought to have done that back in NT 3.1...

                            -- Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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                              Chris Austin wrote:

                              Driver certification has become meaningless in the vista era. For as long as vista was in the works, it a crying shame that MS and the vendors didn't do a better job.

                              Insert long and highly detailed post from Jeffry Brickley about how people like him convinced MS to change the driver model at the last minute to allow native OGL support largely forcing nVidia and ATI to restart from scratch with their development here. Blame him, not MS. :rolleyes:

                              -- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?

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                              Chris Austin
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                              Nope :) I blame MS for the OGL thing in the first place, what an incredibly boneheaded move that was. Btw, I develop OGL software so I was one of those 'petitioners'. What made it more boneheaded was everyone was lobbying MS to correct their error in judgment as soon as it was announced. Yet they waited a very long time to make the decision.

                              My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                              • M Marc Clifton

                                So, I open up a folder on the Vista box, right click on a subfolder and select "copy" I open another folder on a different machine. Right click. Paste is gray. Repeat. Same result. Repeat. Same result. Hmmm, but I can drag and drop between the two folders without any problem. Is there some reason I should continue using this OS, when basic copy and paste folders doesn't even work? Marc

                                Thyme In The Country
                                Interacx

                                People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                Eric Georgiades
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                                where was it that i read that MS gave a patch/fix for their copy/cut/pasting over partitions fix, but you had to call in for it as it's still unofficial :P once Vista SP2 comes out, then i'll rethink upgrading. currently XP SP2 for my work needs (.NET Developer) / OpenSuse 10.2 for my home needs)

                                Ericos Georgiades

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                                • M Marc Clifton

                                  Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                  It doesn't matter much how well the kernel guys did their jobs - the UI is horrible, horrible, horrible!!!

                                  I wish Microsoft had followed the *nix paradigm and provided the kernel and the UI as two separate pieces. Besides, that would allow others to compete for the UI development. Marc

                                  Thyme In The Country
                                  Interacx

                                  People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                  There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                  People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                  Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                  To this date, I think that the most elegant OS design is that of Unix. Windows feels like a backwards compatible kludge...

                                  -- Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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                                    To this date, I think that the most elegant OS design is that of Unix. Windows feels like a backwards compatible kludge...

                                    -- Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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                                    Chris Austin
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                                    I have to take exception to that, z/VM pwns. ;P

                                    My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                                    • C Chris Losinger

                                      a slider is the wrong control for picking one item from a small list of items.

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                                      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                                      It's there for a reason. In Vista Icon sizes in the Explorer list view are more or less continuous. Small Icon: 16x16 Medium Icon 32x32 Large Icon : 48x48 Extra large: 256x256 (128x128 not sure) Vista also supports Icon sizes 18x18, 20x20, 22x22 etc So the slider allows for the continuous selection of icons sizes that are between small - medium or medium - large or large - extra large.

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                                      • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                        It's there for a reason. In Vista Icon sizes in the Explorer list view are more or less continuous. Small Icon: 16x16 Medium Icon 32x32 Large Icon : 48x48 Extra large: 256x256 (128x128 not sure) Vista also supports Icon sizes 18x18, 20x20, 22x22 etc So the slider allows for the continuous selection of icons sizes that are between small - medium or medium - large or large - extra large.

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                                        Chris Losinger
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                                        they aren't arranged large to small. and much more changes than icon size when you go from List to Details to Tiles.

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                                        • C Chris Austin

                                          I have to take exception to that, z/VM pwns. ;P

                                          My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                          Chris Austin wrote:

                                          pwns

                                          Yes, I hear the spell checkers on that platform are quite... spectacular!

                                          -- Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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