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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    Headache

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    Sascha Lefevre
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    You have no idea! The general file format is the smallest of headaches - when you see the field descriptions the real headache starts: "215 : Indicates if the title is contained in field 300 or 315" might give you a small idea of it... X|

    If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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    • S Sascha Lefevre

      In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

      ### header
      001 value1
      002 value2
      010 value3
      300 value4

      header of next record

      (etc)

      As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

      If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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      Chris Copeland
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      I believe the main term used when dealing with splitting content is "delimited". So, line-delimited values, or something?

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        Key-Value pairs? Dictionary? Hashtable? Associative array? Or am I missing something?

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        Sascha Lefevre
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        I'm looking for a (possibly not existing) term for the file format, like CSV also refers to the file format (or layout if you will) although in-memory it would be a DataTable or whatever.

        If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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        • S Sascha Lefevre

          You have no idea! The general file format is the smallest of headaches - when you see the field descriptions the real headache starts: "215 : Indicates if the title is contained in field 300 or 315" might give you a small idea of it... X|

          If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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          In that case Sascha's Delirium Tremens (SDT) may fit better... :-D

          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            In that case Sascha's Delirium Tremens (SDT) may fit better... :-D

            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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            Sascha Lefevre
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            Right! :laugh: ;P

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            • S Sascha Lefevre

              In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

              ### header
              001 value1
              002 value2
              010 value3
              300 value4

              header of next record

              (etc)

              As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

              If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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              Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
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              Indexed-data file with line-separated values. ;P

              The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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              • S Sascha Lefevre

                In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                ### header
                001 value1
                002 value2
                010 value3
                300 value4

                header of next record

                (etc)

                As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                Amarnath S
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                Looking at the title, I thought that you were looking for a ... Term as a Faculty member in a University.

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                • S Sascha Lefevre

                  In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                  ### header
                  001 value1
                  002 value2
                  010 value3
                  300 value4

                  header of next record

                  (etc)

                  As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                  If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                  PIEBALDconsult
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                  Are you sure that's not an INI file? :suss:

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                    Are you sure that's not an INI file? :suss:

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                    Sascha Lefevre
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                    Well.. they initialize the madness that will befall you when actually dealing with their semantic content.. :sigh:

                    If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                    • S Sascha Lefevre

                      In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                      ### header
                      001 value1
                      002 value2
                      010 value3
                      300 value4

                      header of next record

                      (etc)

                      As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                      If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                      Dr Walt Fair PE
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                      Unless I{m missing something, it looks like columnar data to me.

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                      • S Sascha Lefevre

                        In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                        ### header
                        001 value1
                        002 value2
                        010 value3
                        300 value4

                        header of next record

                        (etc)

                        As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                        If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                        KarstenK
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                        Be sure to implement some robust error handling. :thumbsup: Remember: shit happens :rolleyes:

                        Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                        • S Sascha Lefevre

                          In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                          ### header
                          001 value1
                          002 value2
                          010 value3
                          300 value4

                          header of next record

                          (etc)

                          As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                          If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                          Marco Bertschi
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                          It comes close to an ini file, but I'd go with Walt's columnar data term.

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                          • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                            Unless I{m missing something, it looks like columnar data to me.

                            CQ de W5ALT

                            Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                            Sascha Lefevre
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                            Sounds good, though I'm a bit worried people might think it has anything to do with columnar databases... Please take a look - can you confirm the term "columnar" for this kind of file/record layout?:

                            ### 00043nM2.01000024 h
                            001 0000000913
                            003 20150612
                            004 20100526
                            030 a|1ibr|a|||17
                            076eTourismus
                            100 Finger-Benoit, Claus
                            104aGayler, Brigitte
                            331aAnimation im Urlaub
                            335aHandbuch fr Planer und Praktiker
                            359 Claus Finger ; Brigitte Gayler
                            403 3., vollst. berarb. u. aktualis. Aufl.
                            410 Mnchen [u. a.]
                            412 Oldenbourg
                            425a2003
                            433 IX, 340 S.
                            434 Ill.
                            451bLehr- und Handbcher zu Tourismus, Verkehr und Freizeit
                            527z636517721 Digitalisierte Ausg. --->Animation im Urlaub
                            540aISBN 978-3-486-27363-2 Pb.
                            568 03N052763
                            655ehttp://www.gbv.de/dms/hbz/toc/ht013645014.pdf
                            655ehttp://d-nb.info/965931528/04
                            700 T::FIN
                            750cDas Standardwerk zur Urlaubs-Animation in dritter Auflage! Es ist ebenso ein Zeitdokument des modernen Tourismus, wie eine Handlungsanweisung zum animativen Urlaub fr Tourismusunternehmen, Studierende der Touristikstudieng„nge, G„stebetreuer und Urlauber. Aus dem Inhalt: Einleitung. Grundlagen der Animation. Urlaubserwartungen und Urlaubsaktivit„ten. Inhaltliche Bereiche der Animation im Urlaub. Die Person - der Animateur, die Animateurin. Grundlagen und Prinzipien der Animation. Systembeschreibungen - Beispiele realisierter Animation.
                            902 Animation
                            902 Urlaub
                            902 Handbuch

                            00044nM2.01000024 l

                            001 0000000913
                            003 20150612
                            004 20100526
                            012 0000000913
                            100 T 76
                            105 Bibliothek
                            120 00001465

                            00045nM2.01000024 h

                            001 0000000915
                            003 20150612
                            004 20100526
                            030 a|1ibr|a|||17
                            076eTourismus
                            100 Schulz, Axel
                            331aVerkehrstr„ger im Tourismus
                            335aLuftverkehr, Bahnverkehr, Straenverkehr, Schiffsverkehr
                            359 von Axel Schulz
                            403 1. Auflage
                            410 Mnchen
                            412 Oldenbourg
                            425a2009
                            433 X, 342 S.
                            434 Ill., graph. Darst.
                            451bLehr- und Handbcher zu Tourismus, Verkehr und Freizeit
                            501 Literaturverz. S. [321] - 334
                            540aISBN 978-3-486-58876-7 Gb. : 34,80 EUR
                            568 08N290333
                            655ehttp://deposit.d-nb.de/cgi-bin/dokserv?id=3131366&prov=M&dok_var=1&dok_ext=htm
                            655ehttp://www.gbv.de/dms/zbw/571624782.pdf
                            655ehttp://d-nb.info/989417263/04
                            700 T::SCHUL
                            750cZiel des Lehrbuches ist es, einen umfassenden šberblick aller Arten von Verkehrstr„ger (Flug-, Bahn-, Straáen- und Schiffsverkehr) und deren Bedeutung im Tourismus zu geben. Hierzu wurde ein Referenzmodell fr alle Verkehrstr„ger entwickelt, welches aus den Grundelementen Mar

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                              Be sure to implement some robust error handling. :thumbsup: Remember: shit happens :rolleyes:

                              Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                              Sascha Lefevre
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                              Yeah.. though I wish that'd be the major challenge here :laugh:

                              If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                Key-Value pairs? Dictionary? Hashtable? Associative array? Or am I missing something?

                                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                BillWoodruff
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                                key-value pair data file

                                «In art as in science there is no delight without the detail ... Let me repeat that unless these are thoroughly understood and remembered, all “general ideas” (so easily acquired, so profitably resold) must necessarily remain but worn passports allowing their bearers short cuts from one area of ignorance to another.» Vladimir Nabokov, commentary on translation of “Eugene Onegin.”

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                                • S Sascha Lefevre

                                  In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                                  ### header
                                  001 value1
                                  002 value2
                                  010 value3
                                  300 value4

                                  header of next record

                                  (etc)

                                  As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                                  If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                                  Gennady Oster
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                                  Distributed recordset ?

                                  My English is permanently under construction. Be patient !!

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                                  • S Sascha Lefevre

                                    Sounds good, though I'm a bit worried people might think it has anything to do with columnar databases... Please take a look - can you confirm the term "columnar" for this kind of file/record layout?:

                                    ### 00043nM2.01000024 h
                                    001 0000000913
                                    003 20150612
                                    004 20100526
                                    030 a|1ibr|a|||17
                                    076eTourismus
                                    100 Finger-Benoit, Claus
                                    104aGayler, Brigitte
                                    331aAnimation im Urlaub
                                    335aHandbuch fr Planer und Praktiker
                                    359 Claus Finger ; Brigitte Gayler
                                    403 3., vollst. berarb. u. aktualis. Aufl.
                                    410 Mnchen [u. a.]
                                    412 Oldenbourg
                                    425a2003
                                    433 IX, 340 S.
                                    434 Ill.
                                    451bLehr- und Handbcher zu Tourismus, Verkehr und Freizeit
                                    527z636517721 Digitalisierte Ausg. --->Animation im Urlaub
                                    540aISBN 978-3-486-27363-2 Pb.
                                    568 03N052763
                                    655ehttp://www.gbv.de/dms/hbz/toc/ht013645014.pdf
                                    655ehttp://d-nb.info/965931528/04
                                    700 T::FIN
                                    750cDas Standardwerk zur Urlaubs-Animation in dritter Auflage! Es ist ebenso ein Zeitdokument des modernen Tourismus, wie eine Handlungsanweisung zum animativen Urlaub fr Tourismusunternehmen, Studierende der Touristikstudieng„nge, G„stebetreuer und Urlauber. Aus dem Inhalt: Einleitung. Grundlagen der Animation. Urlaubserwartungen und Urlaubsaktivit„ten. Inhaltliche Bereiche der Animation im Urlaub. Die Person - der Animateur, die Animateurin. Grundlagen und Prinzipien der Animation. Systembeschreibungen - Beispiele realisierter Animation.
                                    902 Animation
                                    902 Urlaub
                                    902 Handbuch

                                    00044nM2.01000024 l

                                    001 0000000913
                                    003 20150612
                                    004 20100526
                                    012 0000000913
                                    100 T 76
                                    105 Bibliothek
                                    120 00001465

                                    00045nM2.01000024 h

                                    001 0000000915
                                    003 20150612
                                    004 20100526
                                    030 a|1ibr|a|||17
                                    076eTourismus
                                    100 Schulz, Axel
                                    331aVerkehrstr„ger im Tourismus
                                    335aLuftverkehr, Bahnverkehr, Straenverkehr, Schiffsverkehr
                                    359 von Axel Schulz
                                    403 1. Auflage
                                    410 Mnchen
                                    412 Oldenbourg
                                    425a2009
                                    433 X, 342 S.
                                    434 Ill., graph. Darst.
                                    451bLehr- und Handbcher zu Tourismus, Verkehr und Freizeit
                                    501 Literaturverz. S. [321] - 334
                                    540aISBN 978-3-486-58876-7 Gb. : 34,80 EUR
                                    568 08N290333
                                    655ehttp://deposit.d-nb.de/cgi-bin/dokserv?id=3131366&prov=M&dok_var=1&dok_ext=htm
                                    655ehttp://www.gbv.de/dms/zbw/571624782.pdf
                                    655ehttp://d-nb.info/989417263/04
                                    700 T::SCHUL
                                    750cZiel des Lehrbuches ist es, einen umfassenden šberblick aller Arten von Verkehrstr„ger (Flug-, Bahn-, Straáen- und Schiffsverkehr) und deren Bedeutung im Tourismus zu geben. Hierzu wurde ein Referenzmodell fr alle Verkehrstr„ger entwickelt, welches aus den Grundelementen Mar

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                                    milo xml
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                                    I'd say yes, column delimited. You have three columns. Number, space or lower case letter, then the data. I'm assuming you have text wrap on in the case of line 750. Just odd that they didn't delimit it better.

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                                      Are you sure that's not an INI file? :suss:

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                                      This is the closest that comes to my mind. INI format is exactly what you've got there, except yours is missing the = sign between the key and value. You have section headers followed by a bunch of key value pairs that only apply to that section. Now you may not be using for configuration data, which is what INI format files are typically used for, but I don't think that's a requirement of the format per se.

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                                      • S Sascha Lefevre

                                        In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                                        ### header
                                        001 value1
                                        002 value2
                                        010 value3
                                        300 value4

                                        header of next record

                                        (etc)

                                        As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                                        If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                                        Kirk 10389821
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                                        This reminds me of an EDI file. I assume it cannot handle a MULTI-LINE value. I assume only ONE value per line Since it has multiple record types inside one file, I agree that it looks like an INI file without equal signs, or [] sections. I would start by calling a single file with ONE set of values: A Space Delimited KEY VALUE file. But you could simplify it by calling it a Key Value file. The fact that multiple headers can exist, implies some level or hierarchy. So, I get to: Hierarchical Key Value File (Sounds nice and formal) or a Multi-Section Key Value File Organized Key Value File Multi Key Value File EDIType Key Value File Hopefully that gets you started Now are you going to design an event driven parser. Where each time it finds a header, it calls an event to get it parsed until the next hearder?

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                                          I'd say yes, column delimited. You have three columns. Number, space or lower case letter, then the data. I'm assuming you have text wrap on in the case of line 750. Just odd that they didn't delimit it better.

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                                          Sascha Lefevre
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                                          milo-xml wrote:

                                          Just odd that they didn't delimit it better.

                                          The format originates from the seventies... X|

                                          If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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