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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    Key-Value pairs? Dictionary? Hashtable? Associative array? Or am I missing something?

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    Sascha Lefevre
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    I'm looking for a (possibly not existing) term for the file format, like CSV also refers to the file format (or layout if you will) although in-memory it would be a DataTable or whatever.

    If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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    • S Sascha Lefevre

      You have no idea! The general file format is the smallest of headaches - when you see the field descriptions the real headache starts: "215 : Indicates if the title is contained in field 300 or 315" might give you a small idea of it... X|

      If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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      In that case Sascha's Delirium Tremens (SDT) may fit better... :-D

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      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

        In that case Sascha's Delirium Tremens (SDT) may fit better... :-D

        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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        Sascha Lefevre
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        Right! :laugh: ;P

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        • S Sascha Lefevre

          In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

          ### header
          001 value1
          002 value2
          010 value3
          300 value4

          header of next record

          (etc)

          As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

          If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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          Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
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          Indexed-data file with line-separated values. ;P

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          • S Sascha Lefevre

            In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

            ### header
            001 value1
            002 value2
            010 value3
            300 value4

            header of next record

            (etc)

            As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

            If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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            Amarnath S
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            Looking at the title, I thought that you were looking for a ... Term as a Faculty member in a University.

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            • S Sascha Lefevre

              In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

              ### header
              001 value1
              002 value2
              010 value3
              300 value4

              header of next record

              (etc)

              As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

              If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              Are you sure that's not an INI file? :suss:

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                Are you sure that's not an INI file? :suss:

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                Sascha Lefevre
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                Well.. they initialize the madness that will befall you when actually dealing with their semantic content.. :sigh:

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                • S Sascha Lefevre

                  In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                  ### header
                  001 value1
                  002 value2
                  010 value3
                  300 value4

                  header of next record

                  (etc)

                  As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                  If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                  Dr Walt Fair PE
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                  Unless I{m missing something, it looks like columnar data to me.

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                  • S Sascha Lefevre

                    In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                    ### header
                    001 value1
                    002 value2
                    010 value3
                    300 value4

                    header of next record

                    (etc)

                    As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                    If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                    KarstenK
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                    Be sure to implement some robust error handling. :thumbsup: Remember: shit happens :rolleyes:

                    Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                    • S Sascha Lefevre

                      In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                      ### header
                      001 value1
                      002 value2
                      010 value3
                      300 value4

                      header of next record

                      (etc)

                      As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                      If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                      Marco Bertschi
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                      It comes close to an ini file, but I'd go with Walt's columnar data term.

                      "A property doesn't have to be a Property to be a property." - PIEBALDConsult

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                      • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                        Unless I{m missing something, it looks like columnar data to me.

                        CQ de W5ALT

                        Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                        Sascha Lefevre
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                        Sounds good, though I'm a bit worried people might think it has anything to do with columnar databases... Please take a look - can you confirm the term "columnar" for this kind of file/record layout?:

                        ### 00043nM2.01000024 h
                        001 0000000913
                        003 20150612
                        004 20100526
                        030 a|1ibr|a|||17
                        076eTourismus
                        100 Finger-Benoit, Claus
                        104aGayler, Brigitte
                        331aAnimation im Urlaub
                        335aHandbuch fr Planer und Praktiker
                        359 Claus Finger ; Brigitte Gayler
                        403 3., vollst. berarb. u. aktualis. Aufl.
                        410 Mnchen [u. a.]
                        412 Oldenbourg
                        425a2003
                        433 IX, 340 S.
                        434 Ill.
                        451bLehr- und Handbcher zu Tourismus, Verkehr und Freizeit
                        527z636517721 Digitalisierte Ausg. --->Animation im Urlaub
                        540aISBN 978-3-486-27363-2 Pb.
                        568 03N052763
                        655ehttp://www.gbv.de/dms/hbz/toc/ht013645014.pdf
                        655ehttp://d-nb.info/965931528/04
                        700 T::FIN
                        750cDas Standardwerk zur Urlaubs-Animation in dritter Auflage! Es ist ebenso ein Zeitdokument des modernen Tourismus, wie eine Handlungsanweisung zum animativen Urlaub fr Tourismusunternehmen, Studierende der Touristikstudieng„nge, G„stebetreuer und Urlauber. Aus dem Inhalt: Einleitung. Grundlagen der Animation. Urlaubserwartungen und Urlaubsaktivit„ten. Inhaltliche Bereiche der Animation im Urlaub. Die Person - der Animateur, die Animateurin. Grundlagen und Prinzipien der Animation. Systembeschreibungen - Beispiele realisierter Animation.
                        902 Animation
                        902 Urlaub
                        902 Handbuch

                        00044nM2.01000024 l

                        001 0000000913
                        003 20150612
                        004 20100526
                        012 0000000913
                        100 T 76
                        105 Bibliothek
                        120 00001465

                        00045nM2.01000024 h

                        001 0000000915
                        003 20150612
                        004 20100526
                        030 a|1ibr|a|||17
                        076eTourismus
                        100 Schulz, Axel
                        331aVerkehrstr„ger im Tourismus
                        335aLuftverkehr, Bahnverkehr, Straenverkehr, Schiffsverkehr
                        359 von Axel Schulz
                        403 1. Auflage
                        410 Mnchen
                        412 Oldenbourg
                        425a2009
                        433 X, 342 S.
                        434 Ill., graph. Darst.
                        451bLehr- und Handbcher zu Tourismus, Verkehr und Freizeit
                        501 Literaturverz. S. [321] - 334
                        540aISBN 978-3-486-58876-7 Gb. : 34,80 EUR
                        568 08N290333
                        655ehttp://deposit.d-nb.de/cgi-bin/dokserv?id=3131366&prov=M&dok_var=1&dok_ext=htm
                        655ehttp://www.gbv.de/dms/zbw/571624782.pdf
                        655ehttp://d-nb.info/989417263/04
                        700 T::SCHUL
                        750cZiel des Lehrbuches ist es, einen umfassenden šberblick aller Arten von Verkehrstr„ger (Flug-, Bahn-, Straáen- und Schiffsverkehr) und deren Bedeutung im Tourismus zu geben. Hierzu wurde ein Referenzmodell fr alle Verkehrstr„ger entwickelt, welches aus den Grundelementen Mar

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                          Be sure to implement some robust error handling. :thumbsup: Remember: shit happens :rolleyes:

                          Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                          Sascha Lefevre
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                          Yeah.. though I wish that'd be the major challenge here :laugh:

                          If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                            Key-Value pairs? Dictionary? Hashtable? Associative array? Or am I missing something?

                            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                            Regards, Sander

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                            BillWoodruff
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                            key-value pair data file

                            «In art as in science there is no delight without the detail ... Let me repeat that unless these are thoroughly understood and remembered, all “general ideas” (so easily acquired, so profitably resold) must necessarily remain but worn passports allowing their bearers short cuts from one area of ignorance to another.» Vladimir Nabokov, commentary on translation of “Eugene Onegin.”

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                            • S Sascha Lefevre

                              In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                              ### header
                              001 value1
                              002 value2
                              010 value3
                              300 value4

                              header of next record

                              (etc)

                              As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                              If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                              Gennady Oster
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                              Distributed recordset ?

                              My English is permanently under construction. Be patient !!

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                              • S Sascha Lefevre

                                Sounds good, though I'm a bit worried people might think it has anything to do with columnar databases... Please take a look - can you confirm the term "columnar" for this kind of file/record layout?:

                                ### 00043nM2.01000024 h
                                001 0000000913
                                003 20150612
                                004 20100526
                                030 a|1ibr|a|||17
                                076eTourismus
                                100 Finger-Benoit, Claus
                                104aGayler, Brigitte
                                331aAnimation im Urlaub
                                335aHandbuch fr Planer und Praktiker
                                359 Claus Finger ; Brigitte Gayler
                                403 3., vollst. berarb. u. aktualis. Aufl.
                                410 Mnchen [u. a.]
                                412 Oldenbourg
                                425a2003
                                433 IX, 340 S.
                                434 Ill.
                                451bLehr- und Handbcher zu Tourismus, Verkehr und Freizeit
                                527z636517721 Digitalisierte Ausg. --->Animation im Urlaub
                                540aISBN 978-3-486-27363-2 Pb.
                                568 03N052763
                                655ehttp://www.gbv.de/dms/hbz/toc/ht013645014.pdf
                                655ehttp://d-nb.info/965931528/04
                                700 T::FIN
                                750cDas Standardwerk zur Urlaubs-Animation in dritter Auflage! Es ist ebenso ein Zeitdokument des modernen Tourismus, wie eine Handlungsanweisung zum animativen Urlaub fr Tourismusunternehmen, Studierende der Touristikstudieng„nge, G„stebetreuer und Urlauber. Aus dem Inhalt: Einleitung. Grundlagen der Animation. Urlaubserwartungen und Urlaubsaktivit„ten. Inhaltliche Bereiche der Animation im Urlaub. Die Person - der Animateur, die Animateurin. Grundlagen und Prinzipien der Animation. Systembeschreibungen - Beispiele realisierter Animation.
                                902 Animation
                                902 Urlaub
                                902 Handbuch

                                00044nM2.01000024 l

                                001 0000000913
                                003 20150612
                                004 20100526
                                012 0000000913
                                100 T 76
                                105 Bibliothek
                                120 00001465

                                00045nM2.01000024 h

                                001 0000000915
                                003 20150612
                                004 20100526
                                030 a|1ibr|a|||17
                                076eTourismus
                                100 Schulz, Axel
                                331aVerkehrstr„ger im Tourismus
                                335aLuftverkehr, Bahnverkehr, Straenverkehr, Schiffsverkehr
                                359 von Axel Schulz
                                403 1. Auflage
                                410 Mnchen
                                412 Oldenbourg
                                425a2009
                                433 X, 342 S.
                                434 Ill., graph. Darst.
                                451bLehr- und Handbcher zu Tourismus, Verkehr und Freizeit
                                501 Literaturverz. S. [321] - 334
                                540aISBN 978-3-486-58876-7 Gb. : 34,80 EUR
                                568 08N290333
                                655ehttp://deposit.d-nb.de/cgi-bin/dokserv?id=3131366&prov=M&dok_var=1&dok_ext=htm
                                655ehttp://www.gbv.de/dms/zbw/571624782.pdf
                                655ehttp://d-nb.info/989417263/04
                                700 T::SCHUL
                                750cZiel des Lehrbuches ist es, einen umfassenden šberblick aller Arten von Verkehrstr„ger (Flug-, Bahn-, Straáen- und Schiffsverkehr) und deren Bedeutung im Tourismus zu geben. Hierzu wurde ein Referenzmodell fr alle Verkehrstr„ger entwickelt, welches aus den Grundelementen Mar

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                                milo xml
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                                I'd say yes, column delimited. You have three columns. Number, space or lower case letter, then the data. I'm assuming you have text wrap on in the case of line 750. Just odd that they didn't delimit it better.

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                                  Are you sure that's not an INI file? :suss:

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                                  This is the closest that comes to my mind. INI format is exactly what you've got there, except yours is missing the = sign between the key and value. You have section headers followed by a bunch of key value pairs that only apply to that section. Now you may not be using for configuration data, which is what INI format files are typically used for, but I don't think that's a requirement of the format per se.

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                                  • S Sascha Lefevre

                                    In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                                    ### header
                                    001 value1
                                    002 value2
                                    010 value3
                                    300 value4

                                    header of next record

                                    (etc)

                                    As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                                    If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                                    Kirk 10389821
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                                    This reminds me of an EDI file. I assume it cannot handle a MULTI-LINE value. I assume only ONE value per line Since it has multiple record types inside one file, I agree that it looks like an INI file without equal signs, or [] sections. I would start by calling a single file with ONE set of values: A Space Delimited KEY VALUE file. But you could simplify it by calling it a Key Value file. The fact that multiple headers can exist, implies some level or hierarchy. So, I get to: Hierarchical Key Value File (Sounds nice and formal) or a Multi-Section Key Value File Organized Key Value File Multi Key Value File EDIType Key Value File Hopefully that gets you started Now are you going to design an event driven parser. Where each time it finds a header, it calls an event to get it parsed until the next hearder?

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                                      I'd say yes, column delimited. You have three columns. Number, space or lower case letter, then the data. I'm assuming you have text wrap on in the case of line 750. Just odd that they didn't delimit it better.

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                                      Sascha Lefevre
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                                      milo-xml wrote:

                                      Just odd that they didn't delimit it better.

                                      The format originates from the seventies... X|

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                                        This reminds me of an EDI file. I assume it cannot handle a MULTI-LINE value. I assume only ONE value per line Since it has multiple record types inside one file, I agree that it looks like an INI file without equal signs, or [] sections. I would start by calling a single file with ONE set of values: A Space Delimited KEY VALUE file. But you could simplify it by calling it a Key Value file. The fact that multiple headers can exist, implies some level or hierarchy. So, I get to: Hierarchical Key Value File (Sounds nice and formal) or a Multi-Section Key Value File Organized Key Value File Multi Key Value File EDIType Key Value File Hopefully that gets you started Now are you going to design an event driven parser. Where each time it finds a header, it calls an event to get it parsed until the next hearder?

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                                        Sascha Lefevre
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                                        Yeah, I think I'll go with Key-Value file :)

                                        Kirk 10389821 wrote:

                                        Now are you going to design an event driven parser. Where each time it finds a header, it calls an event to get it parsed until the next hearder?

                                        I'll split it into Key-Value pairs first without caring for the values and then pass the list of Key-Value pairs to the next processing stage. I don't need events there but if someone who wants to use my reader-code from the Tip/Trick I'm going to write needs events he'll still be able to implement them on the list of Key-Value pairs ;)

                                        If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                                        • S Sascha Lefevre

                                          In the domain of my current project I'm dealing with exchange formats where records are saved with key-value pairs each in a separate line:

                                          ### header
                                          001 value1
                                          002 value2
                                          010 value3
                                          300 value4

                                          header of next record

                                          (etc)

                                          As I'm planning on writing a Tip/Trick on a general purpose reader for that kind of format I'm wondering if there is an existing term for this - something like "line separated values"? thanks, Sascha

                                          If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                                          Records in a "Fielded" text file: Fielded text - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[^] (Your "key-value" pairs could easily evolve into something more comprehensive; then you're stuck with a misleading name).

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