How many of you believe in alien life?
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Steve McLenithan wrote: There are examples of such OTHER life in the oceans Indeed, examples right here on Earth itself. Though to be fair to the It Must Be Like Us lot they will argue that really deep down those life forms on the bottom of the ocean are pretty similar to us in the greater scheme of things (still carbon, still cellular etc.) Thanks for the link, heard about that but never read anything on it. Strange stuff!
Paul Watson
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Paul Watson wrote: Strange stuff Yeah it be cool to "eat" boiling hot sulfates for dinner:cool:
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Christian Graus wrote: tend towards disbelief of that which offers me no proof. Pity you cannot convey your proof of God. :)
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: Pity you cannot convey your proof of God. I know you are joking, but how would someone prove God ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
Warning Link to the minion's animation, do not use. It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
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Christian Graus wrote: tend towards disbelief of that which offers me no proof. Pity you cannot convey your proof of God. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
You're right, I can't. But HE can, and does. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Christian Graus wrote: Evolution is unproved, illogical, and in violation of natural law. Whats natural law? How do you see evolution as illogical? Christian Graus wrote: I simply don't believe in life on other planets What about life on other moons :). Scientists are looking closer at the moons of one of our gas giants (cant remember which one) which seems to hold heated oceans underneath a frozen sheet of ice at its surface.
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!Paul Watt wrote: Whats natural law? How do you see evolution as illogical? Things naturally tend from order to chaos without outside influence. They do not tend from chaos to order. That's what I meant by natural law. However, it's far from the only reason that evolution is more religion than science. Paul Watt wrote: What about life on other moons Like I said, if they find it, I will believe it. I have no religious problem with life, if they find it. I just have no belief in a system of accidental life, which does not make the number of planets out there a reason for me to believe in alien life without proof. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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You're right, I can't. But HE can, and does. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: You're right, I can't. But HE can, and does. And in His infinite wisdom I assume he has not yet chosen to reveal himself to me.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Paul Watson wrote: Pity you cannot convey your proof of God. I know you are joking, but how would someone prove God ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
Warning Link to the minion's animation, do not use. It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Colin Davies wrote: I know you are joking, but how would someone prove God ? Actually I was serious. I would be very pleased if CG or any of the other believers could show me the proof that they have recieved. I don't believe there is a God, but I do think it would be a marvelous and amazing thing if there were.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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A 5 for Britney Spears as proof of alien life :laugh: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: A 5 for Britney Spears as proof of alien life I gave him a 1 for that. Insulting alien life forms is not on. :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Paul Watson wrote: How dare we assume that the only possible life has to be like us (us as in life on Earth, i.e. DNA, carbon based, requires oxygen etc.) May be we assume that because it is too great a stretch for our imaginations to believe that other forms could exist. I know novelists have made stories about electrical, plasma, silicon based life forms etc.. But for the life of me I can't imagine how they would exist or operate. (That's not to say I don't believe it possible) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
Warning Link to the minion's animation, do not use. It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Colin Davies wrote: But for the life of me I can't imagine how they would exist or operate. Same here. But then we hardly understand our own "known" universe, or even Earth very well. I just get my knickers in a twist when some scientist proclaims that "Life on Planet X is impossible as there is no oxygen/atmosphere/water/etc." or how they are only looking for Earth like planets. Anyway :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Christian Graus wrote: Evolution is unproved, illogical, and in violation of natural law. I absolutely agree. Christian Graus wrote: I believe that the only way for anything to exist is that something greater makes it. The need for a Creator makes the size of space irrelevant, and gives me no reason to believe in alien life. If it exists, fine, that will not change my views on God, but I simply don't believe in life on other planets, or the face of Elvis on the surface of Mars, or any similar theories. I don't necessarily NOT believe in life on other planets, but at the same time I have yet to see any evidence. Being a christian, I do look at the bible, but the bible says nothing about whether or not God created other planets with life on them - it neither confirms or denies their existence. So I think it would be really interesting if there was, but I haven't yet seen any proof. I guess I'll believe it when I see it. :) Ryan Being little and getting pushed around by big guys all my life I guess I compensate by pushing electrons and holes around. What a bully I am, but I do enjoy making subatomic particles hop at my bidding - Roger Wright (2nd April 2003, The Lounge)
Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late - John Nichol "Point Of Impact"Ryan Binns wrote: I guess I'll believe it when I see it Just curious but when did you see God?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Christian Graus wrote: You're right, I can't. But HE can, and does. And in His infinite wisdom I assume he has not yet chosen to reveal himself to me.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: And in His infinite wisdom I assume he has not yet chosen to reveal himself to me. Nope. In your finite wisdom, you've failed to ask Him. :-) Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Christian Graus wrote: You're right, I can't. But HE can, and does. And in His infinite wisdom I assume he has not yet chosen to reveal himself to me.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: And in His infinite wisdom I assume he has not yet chosen to reveal himself to me. I do not have the answer you are wanting, but. You are supposed to have a choice. If absolute proof that no one could deny existed you would not have that opportunity. So it is just as likely you have elected to not see the revelation. Or you just are not ready. I do not know. ""
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Paul Watson wrote: And in His infinite wisdom I assume he has not yet chosen to reveal himself to me. Nope. In your finite wisdom, you've failed to ask Him. :-) Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: Nope. In your finite wisdom, you've failed to ask Him. I have Christian, I really have. I am not opposed to wanting to believe, I have asked, I have an open mind to this. I don't see having faith as an easier route in life, but maybe a more fulfilling one. Christians believe that God has a plan, that your life is mapped out and known to him. That things happen by his will, bad or good that there is a reason that he knows. In fact that that is true for every human, believer or not. Some people spend all their lives looking and God never reveals himself to them. Others see him in their first years. That I have not seen him yet is by his choice, he has a plan for me. Isn't that how it goes, from your perspective?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Paul Watson wrote: And in His infinite wisdom I assume he has not yet chosen to reveal himself to me. I do not have the answer you are wanting, but. You are supposed to have a choice. If absolute proof that no one could deny existed you would not have that opportunity. So it is just as likely you have elected to not see the revelation. Or you just are not ready. I do not know. ""
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: So it is just as likely you have elected to not see the revelation. Or you just are not ready Lots of likelys :) Likely that his plan for me differs from what I think it should be, that he may only reveal himself to me in latter years, or not at all. Likely that my most honest asking for him was flawed in his eyes, a flaw I am not yet aware of and need more time to become aware of. Likely that he actually does not exist. Whatever it may be, I actually don't have a problem with it. If my current atheist beliefs are proved wrong tomorrow, I won't be bitter and twisted about it, more likely in awe and amazement. If I die an atheist, no problem there either. Some people need faith, others don't. Both routes are fine by me, I choose the later.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Chris Losinger wrote: there could be life elsewhere, but, IMO, until there's proof, nothing is lost by assuming there isn't. Are you sure you are talking about aliens and not god? ;) -- Sometimes I feel nobody gives me no warning Find my head is always up in the clouds in a dreamworld
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Thinking about it, religious folk always say God was not created on this world, so wouldn't that make it an alien? ;P
Hey no fair!! That was me, not Anonymous!
David Wulff
"i said no to noddy like 20 times but in the end i just couldnt say no to him anymore" - Wishful Thinking
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: So it is just as likely you have elected to not see the revelation. Or you just are not ready Lots of likelys :) Likely that his plan for me differs from what I think it should be, that he may only reveal himself to me in latter years, or not at all. Likely that my most honest asking for him was flawed in his eyes, a flaw I am not yet aware of and need more time to become aware of. Likely that he actually does not exist. Whatever it may be, I actually don't have a problem with it. If my current atheist beliefs are proved wrong tomorrow, I won't be bitter and twisted about it, more likely in awe and amazement. If I die an atheist, no problem there either. Some people need faith, others don't. Both routes are fine by me, I choose the later.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: Lots of likelys Agreed, except Paul Watson wrote: Likely that he actually does not exist. This one for me. :-D I believe you are still my friend with or without agreement here. :rose: Well back out to lay more landscaping stones. At least my wife like the 10# ones and not the 24# ones :) ""
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Gary Kirkham wrote: Believing in the existance of aliens, IMHO, requires as much faith as believing in God. Not even close to the truth. You cannot produce God so it takes a bit of faith to believe in his existance but life is all around you - it is not ambigious in nature. Richard PS: We are probably gonna find some type of life, either still viable or extinct, on Mars. In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
Richard Stringer wrote: Not even close to the truth. So, produce an alien...You can't! Probably never will. You can't show me proof of life on other planets any more than I can show you proof that God exists. You simply believe they exist>>>>Look up the definition of faith. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks
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Konstantin Vasserman wrote: religion is the primary reason they cannot accept the fact that the chances are that there are many alien life forms in the universe. I am not sure about religions other than Christianity, but I don't think that there is anything in the Bible that would preclude life on other planets...But then I am not a theologian. As far as I am concerned, until one of those little green buggers takes me into their ship and hooks up the electrodes, I'm not going to believe they exist. Believing in the existance of aliens, IMHO, requires as much faith as believing in God. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks
Gary Kirkham wrote: As far as I am concerned, until one of those little green buggers takes me into their ship and hooks up the electrodes, I'm not going to believe they exist. I thought the current theory involved anal probing but no electrodes. ;P Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Gary Kirkham wrote: As far as I am concerned, until one of those little green buggers takes me into their ship and hooks up the electrodes, I'm not going to believe they exist. I thought the current theory involved anal probing but no electrodes. ;P Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
:omg: :eek: Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks
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:omg: :eek: Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks
Gary Kirkham wrote: :omg: :eek: I take it you don't watch the South Park documentaries. :-D Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002