Paul Watson wrote: Dude, I live in Africa. We have real 4 wheelers here, companies come here to test. Most of the american companies test in South Texas or Baja Calif. Primarily in Baja where the Baja 500 is ran but some at the test facility in Texas ( they also test a lot of race cars and motorcycles there also ). Paul Watson wrote: Obviously it is not going to beat a Land Rover (best 4x4xFar) Debatable. As far as simplicity and endurance and repairability in the field the original Land Rover is hard to beat. However technically I would suggest that the Hummer is the best and The H2 a close second. If I had a choice I would like one of the Korean War versions of the old Jeep , either Willis or Ford as they have better ground clearance and a spring suspension thats pretty hard tp damage but the cost of those things are going thru the nrooh. Paul Watson wrote: The only US 4x4 that has any respect here is the Jeep Cherokee Having owned both a Cherokee and a Grand Cherokee I think that that invalidates all of your arguments. They are simply not suited for off rad useage without substanial mods that render them useless as everyday transportation. Try a Laredo - much better. Paul Watson wrote: Traction control. Any new decent 4x4 has it now and even a lot of non 4x4s are coming out with it. BMW 5 and top end 3 series, Audi All Road, Mitsubishi EVO etc. Hell, Formula 1 Grand Prix cars have it. They check the traction of each wheel and supply the power to the ones with the best traction, amazing stuff. Not traction control. In have tractioin control onh my Taurus. Traction control is completly different - and a lot simplier. This system determines the most efficient way to drive the vehicle based on weight, angle of turn, and about 15 or so other inputs . Its all computer controlled.For example it may quit driving the outsider rear wheel in a sharp turn - stuff like that. It can even shift the tranny . The system cuts off when speeds hit 25 MPH. Paul Watson wrote: LOL, that is one serious off-roader your friend has there. Must be very specialised though, not much fun on the open highway Actually it is quite nice on the road - he claims :). He does belong to a offroad riders organization that has competition events for trucks, modified off roaders, and bikes. I went to one in Oklahoma with him back in 2000 when there were only 7 vehicl