Might be better to stick to SIM city (but of course this is advice from a dino) :-\

You lost me at PHP. If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.

Cheers Rob, Yes, there are a couple of libraries out there to patch the 'standard', but the use of templates was to reduce the code base... There are work-arounds, I currently include js files that render the modules programatically. HTML templates would have reduced the byte count considerably. My issue is that I need the browser to cache my files (it's an app that requires some limited offline capability), so server side options like AJAX and PHP will fail. iframes would work, but there is a large amount of interaction between elements, which is a real ball ache with multiple sub documents. There's also just something inherently wrong with iframes... My real beef is that, at least according to caniuse.com, Firefox has no intention of supporting 'import', now or in the future. It's available through a switch, but will never make the mainstream engine. The other components are in development or working, just not import. "Ho hum" though eh? Danny

Well, a course in javaScript will take this paradigm to whole new level of multimedia experience.

The rhymes on the screen knocked Dan back in his seat, "Wow, this guy is good, but I will not be beat!". So he cracked his knuckles and loosened his tie, And the rhyming couplets started to fly! Face beaded with sweat, all deformed and contorted, As he tried to find something that rhymed with "Transported". [ sorry! ;P] In his chair he squirmed, with his keyboard he battled, He wouldn't give in (but he was getting rattled!). It was plain that this post could go on for a while, "This could make the newsletter" he thought, with a smile. But how to stop members from begging for more? Then he held out his hand - "Let's call it a draw" ;)

Thanks Mate, I'll find out tomorrow if I got through... Nervous times. :~

Exactly. The first step in the acquisition of wisdom is SILENCE, the second is LISTENING, the third MEMORY, the forth, PRACTICE and the fifth is TEACHING others!

First off, I must say I've been enjoying your wit. Like you, I've also a web developer - in my case, WAMP (also without a net), for the last seven or so years. I'd say, since your DIVS are absolutely positioned anyway, you could trap the 'resize' event and, using the innerWidth/Height (or IE's equivalent), write a function to put things EXACTLY WHERE YOU WANT THEM - DOWN TO THE PIXEL. Of course, you'd have to manage the whole layout in code. I do this for a picture puzzle app I'm writing. Tables didn't work because, regardless of shrinking all metrics to zero, they always left a gap. I even figured out how to determine if there's a vertical or horizontal scrollbar IN ALL BROWSERS. The trick: place a 1x1 div in the bottom right corner. You can even set display='none'. Compare it's offsetTop/Left with the innerWidthHeight/Width. With no scrollbars there'll be a diff of 1. With 'em the diff is 17. Then remove the DIV. Easy peasy?

I think think that "touch" thing works nicely with desktop computer, you just don't want to have to have your arm always up in the air "clicking" the screen. What is interesting, is that Apple just merge the 2 technologies, tablets and laptop via the touchpad on the laptop. They were able to experiment and tweek the UI behavior with the iPad and were able to port some of the best application/tools to the laptops because the touchpad on the Mac is multitouch and works the same way the iPad works. As for the OS itself, it's a good OS from the user's point of view, it just works and is stable, but it takes some time getting used to it coming from Windows (also true the other way around); I use both and have no problem whatsoever. I think Apple is just on the edge of deciding if they still want or need to build desktop computers (iMac or Mac Pro), Me think they will keep the iMac and ditch the Mac Pro. Danny Martin wrote: Will the 2013 iMac be a retina display based, touch screen system running iOSX? I hope it will not be a touch screen; but I hope and expect to have it shipped with the "magic trackpad" instead (or in conjunction) of the mouse, so you will have the same input mechanism on the iMac that you have on your laptop. M. Watched code never compiles.

Danny, worry not. It's the way businesses do things these days. They pick those terms and expressions up like you'd find dog shite on a pavement in Paris. I'd like to meet the toe-rags who coined: blue sky thinking; thinking outside the box; pushing the envelope and others. I'd thank them for being assholes. If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

I'm 17. I first drew lines with a for loop on a beautiful ZX Spectrum +2 128k 6 years ago. I recently obtained a BBC Master and Dot Matrix printer which was lying around in the school biology lab since '88, complete with green CRT monitor, and ribbon print cartridges. I won't lie - my friend and I have 4 ZX Spectrums between us. I was lucky, dead lucky. I learnt to program in C for the Nintendo DS with 4mb of RAM. I still carefully selected between int sizes in .NET, and waste nary a bit or a cycle. The n00bs I see learning to program today have to jump in right at the top (you get me) and write the biggest mess, which still works fine. In fact, it works just as well as tight efficient code and they know no better. People should know the math.

I didn't catch the fact that they were friends rather than a typical client. That changes things.

...as a hatter! :laugh: But I think you should go ahead anyway. If nothing else, getting your book ready will give you a personal satisfaction even if it's not the big hit you'd think it ought to be. I know that from experience... Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach ----- Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house... ----- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo! ----- Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects - Will Rogers, 1924 modified on Saturday, April 2, 2011 12:31 PM