Around here (Norway) some people install greywater heat recovery systems. (A single guy in a homeowners' web forum repeatedly suggests using water from the shower in the toilet, but he is ignored or turned down.) Heat recovery systems are simple - a buffer tank with a heat exchanger in the outlet. Even simpler: The outlet from shower cabinet heats the cold water supply to your shower mixer. The ovations are rather subdued. Kitchen/dishwasher greywater is full of fats and other particles, clogging up the heat exchanger, and is nutrition for bacteria (and even rats) in the sewage system. (The fat will get to the sewage anyway, but if you cool it down first, it stiffens and sticks to any surface.) Cleaning the system is a task you will hate. As the article says, using the greywater in the toilet would require an expensive filter/desinfecting system. Heat recovery is limited. The shower cabinet heat exchanger has no effect until you are halfway through your shower. It contributes only to the coldwater. Traditional Norwegian water heaters were electrical, keeping 200 liter of water at 90-95°C, so coldwater was 2/3 of the mix. Modern heaters are heat pump driven. For good performance, water is kept at 45°C, maybe 50°C (you must raise it to 70°C weekly to kill legionella). Coldwater is at most 10-15% of the mix. If you catch all the greywater, a lot of it is cold or maybe lukewarm. The mix is lukewarm at best, and really isn't useful as a heat supply for anything. An heat pump hotwater issue: 180 l @ 45°C has less than half the capacity of 200 l @ 95°C. For a large family, it might be on the low side. I will remodel my house this spring, installing a heat pump, but rejected complete greywater heat recovery due to tne maintenance / cleaning issues. Shower / bathtub outlet alone is reasonably "clean", some soap but little fat, and reasonably warm. So I will keep shower greywater separate down to the basement room of the heat pump. A T-valve can either steer it to the sewage, or let it make a detour through my old, discarded 200 liter water heater. The coldwater intake to the heat pump heater will have a detour that is a long spiral tube inside the old tank, for being pre-heated by the shower greywater. When a lot of hot water is consumed, the preheating will help reducing the recovery time for the new heater, making it appear as a bigger tank. The connections to the old tank, both the "warm circuit" greywater and the "cold circuit" coldwater inlet, will be with snap-on couplings so that I can easily d

See this post: Re: Olathe shooting[^] It basically says how well I appreciate this post: Re: Olathe shooting[^] in which Slacker007 points out succinctly about the OP's unfair generalization. Now, John's post was made much later, and seemed to me like it was mocking the situation that left one dead, and two in the hospital. It could well be not what he had intended. But it looked like it was bordering on that to me. Looking back at the whole thing now, I think that I could have held myself back or at least been much more polite in stating my opinions. I've calmed down now though. Or, am I fucking calm? AM I? :mad: If this was a catch-all bait he laid, I certainly bit. :)

Personally I think he only ran for president for a joke, and he doesn't really want the job, so I can see 4 years and he won't run again. Hopefully he can put the US back on track economically in those 4 years.

Sahir Shah wrote: I don't see why the damfool pastafarians revere pirates Ah, that's easy - the decrease in the number of pirates has lead to global warming[^]. :D TTFN - Kent

This is one of my favorite movies. I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.

Reading through the previous replies gets me to wondering if this was not a result of a CAIR campaign. cat fud heer

Ah! OK. Thanks. The smell is not unbearable though. It's a weird biological odour. I was worried if the powder had gone bad after being exposed to high temperature for too long. It must have been there all the time. Maybe I notice it now because my sense of smell may have gone up a few notches from the zinc supplement tablets. :) Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein - Friedrich Nietzsche

Winky or not, it was a good question that many ask and I think I produced a reasonable answer. Windows 8 is the resurrected version of Microsoft Bob. The only thing missing is the Fisher-Price logo. - Harvey

Wow! And you consider yourself a free thinker and a rationalist. I almost got a seizure. Sahir Shah wrote: Whatever happened to corporate social responsibility ? Nothing. It's the same old bullshit term coined by companies for marketing purposes so they can sell their products to socialists easier. Sahir Shah wrote: Furthermore, this sort of thing is against the fundamental principles of the host country (United States) they operate from. Except that it isn't. It exactly in the line with their fundamental principles: government should not infringe your right to free speech, private entities can do whatever they are pleased with their property, even deny you access to their resources that you need to exercise your free speech. All great principles. Sahir Shah wrote: If the US government can tell auto manufacturers not to manufacture gas guzzlers So, you base your conclusions on morally corrupted, irrational and utterly stupid example of abuse of government power that is ultimately against those fundamental principles that you, allegedly, hold dear. Sahir Shah wrote: it should be able to tell companies in their jurisdiction not to You want to use force and authority, in your case the government, to promote your agenda. Not to mention the consequences that your agenda will have on financial freedoms. Free thinker? Rationalist? Yeah right. It looks like you and them are not that different. Sahir Shah wrote: Al Qaida and the Taliban I don't remember article mentioning those and the site is down so I cannot confirm this. So now we are equating religious fundamentalism with terrorism? Sahir Shah wrote: I am not sure if Facebook isn't breaking any US laws by doing this. Get back to me when you are sure. Happy witch hunting. more from me | GALex: C++ Library for Advanced Genetic Algorithms

Results from a multi-million dollar research grant on flatulence. Farts smell so deaf people can enjoy them, too. And, 87% of the people who smelt it, dealt it. I'll tell you what, then. Why don't you call me some time when you have no class? - Thornton Melon

I was expecting the famous Hugh Grant vs Colin Firth[^] fight scene from "Bridget Jones's Diary". utf8-cpp

Sahir Shah wrote: The other two blokes who made the anti men comments are required to take a gender test. Please upload the doctor's report by COB tomorrow. Pic or it ain't true. Your solution was by no means pervy enough. I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

You don't need reincarnation for that. Just apply to your local force; if you're reasonably intelligent and motivated it shouldn't be hard to get a job, and traffic policing isn't particularly popular as far as I know.

A chi machine that doesn't measure chi, an invisible punch that doesn't work. Defeated by tongue position - toe position. Not really a great threat. Wasn't really worth the internet cost. I think the skeptics have a point. Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

Indeed. Wouldn't swap it for all the tea in China. cheers, Paul M. Watson.

I agree, and I countered univote. public class SysAdmin : Employee { public override void DoWork(IWorkItem workItem) { if (workItem.User.Type == UserType.NoLearn){ throw new NoIWillNotFixYourComputerException(new Luser(workItem.User)); }else{ base.DoWork(workItem); } } }

ni-iiice!

The guy was an engineering student and couldn't solve the "Locked in a holding cell for 4 days puzzle"??? Pfft, goodluck finding a job kid.