All of which merely adds up to the fact that we need better conservatives. But, not to worry Mike, I probably won't even vote in the next election. I'm one conservative who firmly believes that the left should be allowed to finish what it started without opposition. Liberalism is a pejorative - it simply does not work and cannot be made to work. But, hey, I'm happy that you believe it does. You just keep pushing that crap and see what you get. I'm more than happy to let you learn your lessons the hard way. History proves that when we have conservative congresses (the only branch of government with any actual constitutional authority to affect the economy) we have prosperity, and when we have liberal congresses we have economic carnage. And, no, lack of regulation is not the problem - all we need is a single standard of common law that everyone, rich and poor alike, can be held accountable to by a government that is just big enough to do so - but no bigger. Our current fiscal problems were created by too much government involvment and not too little.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Hi, Mike. I see you're off your meds again. Of course I'm still a republican. Because of morons like you, they are the only option non-communists have. Get the radical leftist out of the democrat party, and we might be able to have a civil converstation.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Sorry, but if what Bush did was illegal than so is what Obama did. And if morality or legality is a factor in your argument you must now include Obama into whatever you wish done to Bush. Otherwise, you are simply a hypocrite turning a blind eye to the evil of your own side. For my part, I heartily approve of what Obama did just as I did Bush. I really don't care if mistakes are made, just so long as there is an aggressvie effort made to defend the country. Torturing someone when you should not have is a far more forgivable mistake to make than not torturing them when you should have. There is no such thing as a moral war. The entire concept is inherently immoral. But, then, so is surrendering to evil, so what ya gonna do? Still, I tend to support Obama on a lot of his foreign policy (I also tend to like his policies in regard to NASA). I mean, sure, he is going to wreck the country economically, but what the hell, thats a fore gone conclusion at this late date anyway - no one can stop that train wreck, so we might as well let the people who started it all so long ago apply the coup de grace. But the simple fact is that he has proven beyond doubt that Bush was also largely right in his foreign policy. There will be no big changes in that regard, and the 'throw Bush in prison' lunacy is clearly nothing more than hypocritical blather from the extreme left for all the world to see and be amazed by.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Sorry, but we have already established that you are void of moral courage. For example,

Majerus wrote:

Both Cheney and Bush have publically declared that they ordered waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture and torture is a war crime. They have confessed to committing war crimes.
 
Your defense of war crimes proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you hate democracy.

...You also want them to ignore all those pesky laws as well.

Anyone who condemns a law that makes it illegal to pour water on someone's face, but has no comment to make if that same person is shot dead standing unarmed in their home, just so long as the guy ordering the shooting is own your side politically, is a hyprocrite. If you would bother to check most of the actual sources of moral codes around the world, I'm actually quite certain you will find that they all consider shooting someone in the head to be worse than getting them a little wet. Except, evidently, the moral code of the left, which appears to be infinitely modifiable to fit the occassion. Face it, the obvious truth is that you would use any possible excuse to imprison the political opposition. That is all this is about. There is absolutely nothing more morally compelling about it than that. If there were, there would be even more public outrage from the elft at Obama's actions as at Bush's, because what Obama did, the precident he has set, is far, far worse. And any normal person would easily percieve that.

Majerus wrote:

You fear that health care reform will destroy American democracy

I do indeed. Although, just a little faster than all the other sociaslist policies that are already well established. So, its kind of a moot point. I'm more than happy to set back and watch as people like you learn you lessons the hard way.

Majerus wrote:

Since you know that there is no democrat party in the US

Than what party do democrats belong to?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

But then, I never made a moral argument. I don't believe that there is any moral way to defend a society from those who wish to destroy it. When have we ever fought a 'moral' war? I expect those we elect to be our leaders to exclude morality from what ever means they deem necessary to defend the nation. Bush or Obama could have nuked every major city from Morocco to Pakistan and I would have been perfectly content. (Although, I will confess that I am not altogether comfortable with a traditonal branch of our conventional military being used as assassination teams. If we need assassination teams, they should be called assassination teams and probably controlled directly by the CIA. Missions like this I think tend to mar the tradition of honor the US Navy has always possessed)

Majerus wrote:

Obama is a right of center political. The Democratic party as a group might be a little left of center.

Now THAT is funny. Sure, you're not a leftist.... :laugh: The only reason we are not already a full blown communist state is because of the impediments the founding father's put in the democrat party's way. You're zeal to throw opposition leaders into prison on whatever trumped up charges you can find is, once more, all the proof anyone needs.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

I'll take your word for it. But whatever it is, it is certainly the end of the radical left's 'legacy of torture' bullshit. They need to have Obama's assasination of bin Ladin thrown in their face everytime they mention it. It clearly defines the hypocrisy of the left. All we heard from them for years was how water-boarding was swelling the ranks of al queda with outraged (but otherwise moderate) muslims. But gunning down their top guy won't have the same affect? Give me a break.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Majerus wrote:

Otherwise just STFU.

No. You're a leftist, Obama is a leftist and the democrat party is a leftist party. Radically so, in fact. And that is precisely the issue. You don't want Bush and Cheney punished for water-boarding key terroist leaders in a carefully managed enviroment. You want them punished for being conservatives. The slack you give Obama for doing far worse is proof of that. You have no morality. All you have is your rage. So, why don't you STFU?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Majerus wrote:

Let's talk after Bush and Cheney are in prison for life.

Thats what I thought - typical lefty hypocrisy on parade once again. Not that it will make any difference of course, as you guys are answerable to no one. Poor old Bush, it is obvious that the man was trying to use the power of his office as judiciously as possible in order to avoid being labeled by people like you. But Obama can send teams of assassins out into the world to gun down unarmed suspects without even the slightest sort of due process, and you have no comment. That is the main reason why leftist politics are so dangerous - you guys don't care about law or morality as long as the thug in charge is keeping the slop shovled into the trough.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

I'm listening to you. You're calling Obama a war criminal? Should he be impeached?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Would it be ok with you if we just sent some SEALs up there to shoot him in the head? That appears to be a perfectly moral, legal and very useful practice. Now personally, I don't understand the logic with that, but the left seems to be understand it just fine. I mean, I haven't heard any of the Bush haters call Obama a war criminal.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Actually, the fault lies with the software industry itself. There is virually zero mentoring of junior level programmers, and the industry has for far too long tolerated an uncontrolled hodgepodge of technologies that would leave anyone confused. Throw them in and see who drowns in the chaos seems to be the general method for developing software professionals. The ocassional super-stud programmer who manages to master a sufficiently comprehensive range of technologies to be able to produce quality software is the model that the industry relies upon rather than investing any substantial effort in helping shape and develop young programmers. The super-stud then becomes head of development only to lament the dearth of equally gifted individuals, burns out working 12 hour days 7 days a week because of the lack of help, and, if the company is lucky, lasts just long enough for the next super-stud to be discovered. And the saddest part is that the super-stud programmers are wasting their time at a key board anyway. They should be the guys out there discoverying a cure for cancer or a faster than light space drive or something - not writing yet another mundane business app. The software industry absorbs, uses up, and discards far more intellectual capital than would be necessary if it were just a little more well managed.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

The grand irony of your comment is that it is clearly based on your own gullibility. I'm no supporter of the tea party movement, but its members are certainly far more well informed, intelligent and non-radical than are its detractors. The sole reason for its existence is simply that the US government, especially the democrat party, has become entirely controlled by radical leftists. There simply is no disputing that obvious fact. Any effort to do so makes you a liar a fool, or both.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Looks like you and I are in the same boat. I've been unemployed since October also, although I have only recently started seriously looking for a new position, and I'm being picky. Unlike you, however, I am only interested in contract work. The last thing I want is a full time permanent position. My wife's salary pays all of our bills and we get all our benefits through her job, so I'm in a perfect position to just do contract work.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

I actually thought this [^]one was more interesting... we're nearing the point where there's not enough carbon dioxide left to regulate temperatures following the same procedures Well, damn, thank God for the combustion engine than, eh?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

kmg365 wrote:

I hate open source.

Well, ok then, you're on the right side at least philosophically.

kmg365 wrote:

I do what they tell me.

Me too... usually ... as long as they sign that pay check...

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

kmg365 wrote:

I find my self assigned to projects that are mostly open source.

Work for free do you?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Chris Austin wrote:

Did I miss something

Yes. Something quite profound, in fact.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Heck, they deleted my response that merely pointed out that this all validates everything I have ever said about libertarianism. You can't even make it work in a little virtual community. Somebody has to make and enforce the community rules which everyone has to obey - individualism be damned. If these guys would apply a little Jeffersonianism, it could all be settled quite easily - we have a vote, up or down, for who gets tossed out.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Hey, me too... :laugh:

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

for all those who wish to live in a libertarian utopia...

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.